From: liberty@...
Message: 11558
Date: 2001-11-28
--- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> --- liberty@... wrote:
> > I forgot to ask before if you've read "The Jases and
> > Brodniks in the
> > Steppes of Eastern Europe (6th - beginning of 13th
> > centuries)" at
> > http://www.gilan.uar.net/nasu/ios/summary1.html ?
> > See especially
> > Chapter V. "Alans-Ases in the Polovcian
> > Ethnopolitical Union". If
> > you have, I wonder what you make of it, or what any
> > list members
> > make of the etymologizing of the word "Burtas"
> > that's done.
> > -David
> >
> *****GK: As to the etymology of "Burtas" I have
> naturally no opinion. What is offered here seems
> ingenious, but the Alans of Kantsyrka (which is a ford
> area on the lower Dnipro) would, on this theory, have
> been "Burt-Ases" as early as the 7th century.More
> generally though, Bubenok's book definitely seems to
> be worth reading. A lot of what (s)he says makes
> sense, though I have problems with some of the
> assertions in the summary. E.g.the identification of
> "Jases" and "Brodniks" is not fully supported by the
> argument that the first term is replaced by the second
> after ca. 1150. True, the first mention of the
> Brodniki occurs s.a. 1147. But "Ambal Yasyn", the
> killer of Prince Andrei Yurijevich (+1174) appears in
> a late 12th c. context. One would need to consult the
> whole to get a better feel for the argumentation.
> Soviet scholars had tended to see the Brodniki as East
> Slavs, but then they took the designation to mean "wanderers".******
>
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