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liberty@... wrote:
> I forgot to ask before if you've read "The Jases and
> Brodniks in the
> Steppes of Eastern Europe (6th - beginning of 13th
> centuries)" at
> http://www.gilan.uar.net/nasu/ios/summary1.html ?
> See especially
> Chapter V. "Alans-Ases in the Polovcian
> Ethnopolitical Union". If
> you have, I wonder what you make of it, or what any
> list members
> make of the etymologizing of the word "Burtas"
> that's done.
> -David
>
*****GK: As to the etymology of "Burtas" I have
naturally no opinion. What is offered here seems
ingenious, but the Alans of Kantsyrka (which is a ford
area on the lower Dnipro) would, on this theory, have
been "Burt-Ases" as early as the 7th century.More
generally though, Bubenok's book definitely seems to
be worth reading. A lot of what (s)he says makes
sense, though I have problems with some of the
assertions in the summary. E.g.the identification of
"Jases" and "Brodniks" is not fully supported by the
argument that the first term is replaced by the second
after ca. 1150. True, the first mention of the
Brodniki occurs s.a. 1147. But "Ambal Yasyn", the
killer of Prince Andrei Yurijevich (+1174) appears in
a late 12th c. context. One would need to consult the
whole to get a better feel for the argumentation.
Soviet scholars had tended to see the Brodniki as East
Slavs, but then they took the designation to mean "wanderers".******
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