--- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> *****GK: And what matter would that be? The English
> tradition is not cast in stone. What's wrong in
> distinguishing "Old Ukrainian" from "Old Russian" or
> "Old Ukrainians" from "Old Russians"? Or "Old
> Belarusans" for that matter? What's your line? To
> continue confusing everything under the "Russian"
> label? Sounds a tad ethnocentric to me (:=))****
This is getting ridiculous. I wonder how you define these terms,
especially the dirfference between Old Russians and Old Ukrainians in
the Primary Chronicle's times?
> *****GK: What's wrong with you my dear fellow? Where
> are you coming from with these insinuations? There is
> nothing "ethnocentric" about the recognition of
> reality. Your claim that I suggested that "tsur" is an
> expression found "only in Ukrainian" is simply untrue.
> I merely mentioned an expression which does exist in
> Ukrainian and wondered what it meant.*****
> *****GK: I don't know about Zinkevic^ius and his
> Lithuanian ethnocentrism. Trubachev has occasionally
> lapsed into the Russian chauvinistic mood. But what
> does this have to do with lil' old me?*****
Here's a quote from message #10329:
*****GK: What about a simpler route:
1. The "summons cry" emerges as "kos'" at a time when
the term for "horse" for the population in question is
still "ekwos". It doesn't seem far fetched to suppose
that a cry is simplified in this way.
2. This "cry" is maintained even as the other language
shifts occur.[analogy: the mysterious "tsur (tobi)
pek" expression in Ukr. I don't know if it exists in
other Slavic languages. It may. You tell me]
3. This cry remains in the vocabulary of some groups
(but is lost in that of others) and eventually
produces some derivatives based on "kos'"*****
It's not fair to play possum. You understand what I mean perfectly
well. You cited the tsur-expression as an instance of a probable
unique development to support another Ukrainian unique development -
reflecting PIE horse-word as <kos'>. Your consistent fight against
English proper names of Russian origin is of course not ethnocentric,
but aggressive selling of <Dnipro> for the Dnieper is a bit unfair -
what about the non-Ukrainian part of the river? Petrov was a #1
comparativist, only the Soviet (resp. Russian?) regime didn't let him
... Another misunderstanding of mine?
>Sometimes I
> wonder if you actually understand what you read. (no
> "ethnocentric" comment intended).
I realize that my English is poor, but not to an extent that others
on the list feel uncomfortable about it. At least you're the first to
complain. I'll try to read your messages twice from now on.
Sergei