Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

From: Christopher Gwinn
Message: 11248
Date: 2001-11-19

> > > She came from the western sea to Ireland and gave birth to
cattle
> > > for the people, then she disappeared.
> >
> > Source?
> >
> Don't have it. It seems to be similar to one of the British
goddesses
> who did the same thing there (forget her name), except that she
gave
> birth to cows and pigs and everything else.


Honestly, I think you are just making things up now. What particular
British goddess are you talking about?



> > > the name of ancient Scotland (see Note 2). As will be shown
> > elsewhere, the most likely
> > > explanation for this shared myth came to Greece in late
> > prehistoric
> > > times with early Celtic colonists from central Europe.
> >
> > LOL. Hardly the most likely explanation!
> >
> If you have a better one, please post it.

Quite simple: Celydon and Celdonia are two similar sounding, yet
unrelated, names from different language branches that
coincidentally both pop up in stories about a boar hunt. No other
explanation is necessary.

> As for me, I still like the
> Bryges/Boiotians = Brigantes/Boii hypothesis.

You may like it, but it's false.

> It could also explain
> the some other peculiar parallels between Greek and Celtic
> mythologies, including, IMO, Artemis=Arti and Brigit=Athena (Breo
> Saighead and Pallas Athena).

Breo Saighed is a late folk-etymology and has nothing - I repeat
_nothing_ to do with the actual etymology of Brigid. There is
nothing peculiar about the connection between Artemis and Artio -
both stem from a common PIE root, thus there is no reason to assume
influence on the Greeks from the Celts or vice-versa.

> I also suspect that Apollo was
> ultimately from central Europe, including the homeland of the
> earliest Celts.

Well, you obviously are unaware of the evidence that indicates
Apollo arrived in Greece from Anatolia (and long before Galatians
ever set foot before).



> Thanks for the explanations. I always thought the Skt Kali
connection
> sounded like bunk, too. "Veiled One" sounds like a fate goddess?

The fact that she has a name that was borrowed ultimately from Latin
might indicate that she is not a particularly old figure - though
she might have inherited some traits from some half-remembered pagan
goddess. "The Veiled One" may really just be a kenning for "the old
lady".


>This is what I suspected from the Irish triad of Caillech Bolus,
Cailleach
> Beara and Cailleach Corca Duibhne. What are the meanings of these
> names?

They are placenames.

> > 3. Unless you have access to sources that I don't, there is no
> > mention of a god Caletos in any single known inscription. You
are
> > thinking of the god Mercurius Uassocaletos "The Hard/Tough
Vassal"
>
> Dang. I guess I was trying to remember Calaedicus, the Gaulish god
> linked to Silvanus as Silvanus Calaedicus. I believe I found this
in
> one of the books on Celts by Makillop or Green?


Not likely, as this is this god doesn't seem to have existed either.
You seem to have conflated Siluanus Callirius and Siluanus Cocidius.


- Chris Gwinn