Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher Gwinn
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?
>
> > ... The Bryges lived on in Celtic Europe of the as the Brigantes

of Britain and the Brigantii of southern Germany, and probably, I
think, of the Roman town of Brigetio on the middle Danube. Their
eponymous goddess was known to the Gauls, and lives on today as the
Irish Saint Brigit.

>
> [Chris:] More ridiculousness. You _cannot_ postulate connections

between disparate tribes based simply on superficial similarities in
name. The Brigantes of Britain and the Brigantii of Gaul _might_ have
a distant connection - but they certainly have no connection
whatsoever to the Bryges.

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> Let me add that <bruges> can be compared with the Greek form
<pHruges>, with Macedonian or indeed Phrygian phonetics (*bH >
Mac./Phr. b : Gk. pH). There is therefore some justification for the
hypothesis that the Bryges of the East Balkans were ethnonymically
(and perhaps also in other ways, see Herodotus) related to the
Phrygians of Asia Minor, but the Celtic connection is pure fantasy,
as Chris points out.
>
> Celtic *brigant- has a perfectly good native etymology, *bHrg^H-nt-
'high, lofty > exalted, noble', the feminine form of which (*bHrg^H-
nt-ih2) is the prototype of Brigit (her name means 'lady', more or
less). Even with a different suffix *bH(e)rg^H- would not have
yielded anything like <bruges>/<pHruges> in Phrygian itself. We know
a thing or two about Phrygian -- not very much, but enough to be sure
that it has nothing to do with Celtic. It used to be regarded as a
close relative of Thracian and/or Armenian, but the view that it
ought to be grouped with Greek and Ancient Macedonian as
a "Hellenoid" language has been gaining ground in recent decades.
>
> Piotr
>
>
Strabo: Geography, 7.3.2
... And the Phrygians [pHrúges] themselves are Brigians [bríges], a
Thracian tribe,...

but cf.
ibid 7.7.8
...for above Epidamnus and Apollonia as far as the Ceraunian
Mountains dwell the Bylliones, the Taulantii, the Parthini, and the
Brygi [brûgoi]...
ibid 7.7.9
... and Cydrae belonged to the Brygi ... [brúgo:n, emendated from
bursô:n?]...

Why does Strabo equate <u> = <i>? Doesn't look right.

BTW Euboia = "nice place to live"?

Torsten