From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 11138
Date: 2001-11-15
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From: Christopher Gwinn <sonno3@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Vanir
> > If Aesir are not a fruit of imagination of ancient Scandinavians,
> but a real
> > tribe they must be Asses (= Yass = Yazig), a group of Alanian people
> > (sometimes Asses were equated with Alans, sometimes were mentioned
> side by
> > side with them). Everything - name (letter by letter), time, place,
> many
> > details fit well.
> >
> > Whom Vanir could be then?
> > Before moving in Europe many Alanian groups were incorporated into
> the
> > Hunnian horde, as usually happened with defeated nomads.
> > BTW before the end of the 4th century AD, when Huns went to Europe,
> they
> > inhabited exactly the Lower Don, i.e. where Tanais "falls into the
> Black
> > Sea" and where Vanaheim was situated.
> >
> > A question to the linguists:
> >
> > Is it thinkable that a transformation like
> >
> > Hunnu > *Vun > Van
> >
> > occurred in a East Iranian or an North Germanic language ?
>
>
> Aesir comes from the Proto Indo European root *ansu- "spirit/demon",
> which gives Old Norse ass "god" (why would a tribe of humans call
> themselves "the gods"?). This root also lies behind Vedic Asura,
> Avestan Ahura.
>
> Vanir comes from PIE *wen-[1] "to strive for/desire" - a root which
> suits the 3rd funtion role of the Vanir - and is related not only to
> Latin Venus (note Feya's byname Vanadis), but also Irish fiana (a
> militaristic band of hunters/brigands, made up primarily of youths).
>
> When will people get it through their heads that the Aesir and the
> Vanir weren't real people? Apparently they don't teach anyone about
> euhemerization anymore.
>
> - Chris Gwinn
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