Re: [tied] Vanir

It was very popular in books references to Vanir as existence of a
Pre-Germanic people, who were conquered by the Aesir-Germanic tribes. But I
think this could be a surviving Nazi concept of Aesir as the Warrior gods of
blond Germanic conquerors, while Vanir was dark-haired tribes that worship
peaceful teluric deities. The Aesir x Vanir duality represented PIE myths,
not necessarily pre-historic people.

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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: [tied] Vanir


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> I thought about for a while: is everybody tired of hearing about
> Snorri's ideas of the Aesir living on the Don and fighting Vanir to
> the east of them; but on the other hand, if someone should speculate
> on the origins of the Vanir, so ...
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> in
> http://www.alekseevmanuscript.com/ChapterVIII.html
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> you find:
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> "
> Kingdom of Vani
> As per Alexeev, the Kingdom of Vani 5 is in existence in the
> seventh/sixth century BC and lasts until the first century AD. This
> kingdom is located in Georgia close to the Black Sea; Vani is also
> the name of a town. This kingdom is influenced by Greece but it also
> has its native cultural traditions 6. Linguists do not know which
> languages were spoken [Arutiunov says the language most probably was
> early Zanic]; however, inscriptions on gravestones are in Greek. This
> site has been excavated for thirty years revealing a great square
> with architecture similar to Greece. The Vani people are metal users.
> Iron is used for tools, with an occasional implement made of bronze;
> bronze is considered very valuable. Thus in the early Iron Age there
> is a mixing of a new tradition of iron with the old tradition of
> bronze.
> "
>
> http://www.alekseevmanuscript.com/ChapterVII.html
> on "Zalic" or Zanic":
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> "
> Kartli is the name of an ancient kingdom in the first century AD.
> Georgian is spoken in Georgia proper and Megrelian (Mingrelian) is
> spoken in western Georgia. Svanian is spoken in the central mountain
> region north of the Megrelian area. Georgian, Megrelian, and Svanian
> belong to the Kartic = Kartvelian Family. HOLLIS adds the Laz
> language to the Kartvelian group. Arutiunov comments that Laz and
> Megrelian are two dialects of a single language arbitrarily called
> Zanic.
> "
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> So they might have been Kartvelian speakers.
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> Torsten
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