Re: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

From: Dr. Antonio Sciarretta
Message: 11121
Date: 2001-11-14

At 13:25 14.11.2001 +0000, you wrote:

>I read Georgiev some years back. Well argued.
>You find -ind, -und, -s in Danish pre-Germanic island names similar
>to the -inthos, -unthos, -ssos place names of Georgiev's substratum
>of Greek, see
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/5219

The "Pelasgian" -inthos, -unthos have different origins (part of a name's
root, derivative *-to- after a n-stem, suffix *-Nto-, etc.), but however
derive from a "Pelasgian" phonetic feature *t > th.
If I'm correct, there is not yet an IE language in which *t > d (and *p >
b, *k > g).
So, if your toponymic connection is right, this would be a distinguishing
feature of this unknown "Pre-Germanic" language.
Not only for Pelasgian, it happened that strange toponyms were explained by
postulating an unknown IE language.
Apart from "Alteuropaeisch", it is the case of the language that gave Aetna
mons (the volcano in Sicily), from the same root as Gk. aitho 'to burn' <
IE *aidh-, and also the personal name Rutilius, lat. ruber < *rudh-ro- < IE
*reudh- 'red'. They are explained by several italian scholars as a
"latino-siculoid" language in which IE *dh > t, as probably in the
Anatolian and Tocharic languages.

>Interestingly, *bh, *dh, *gh > b, d, g and *p, *t, *k > ph, th, kh
>would fit well with a pre-proto-Germanic-like language in Scandinavia.
>Perhaps Georgiev's substratum language was spoken in Denmark too once?

This seems is in contrast with what you sentenced before. Which is the
(toponymic, I suppose) material that could lead to such phonetic features ?

Antonio Sciarretta