Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

--- In cybalist@..., "Dr. Antonio Sciarretta" <sciarretta@...>
wrote:

> At 13:20 06.11.2001 -0200, you wrote:
> >Could be Greek Boio:tia (boio:tos) < *bHoi- ??? cf. Bajarix,

Bojorix,

> >Bohemia, Bavaria (Bajovaria), etc. Perhaps this name came from

another IE

> >dialect (where bH->b instead of Greek ph). Boio:tos could be

equivalent of

> >Boute:s.
>
> Can you tell me what is this root that seems to form ethnical and

personal

> names ?

Probably the one in Dutch boer, German Bauer, ON bondi "farmer";
Danish bo "to live (in, at), inhabitate".

> However, from a phonetic point of view, Boeotia is perfectly

compatible

> with what postulated by V. Georgiev and others, that brilliantly

explained

> a lot of toponyms in ancient (southern) Greece by supposing the

existence

> of a pre-Greek, but IE language with phonetic features different

from

> Greek. In particular, *bh, *dh, *gh > b,d,g and *p, *t, *k > ph,

th, kh.

> Another important feature would be the maintenance of *s-
> This language, attributed to "Pelasgians", would explain for

instance

> Achelous fl. (Acarnania) < *akw-el- 'water',
> Aedepsus (Eubea), cfr. Gk. aitho 'to burn',
> Dyme (Achaia) < *dhu-mo- 'dark, smoke',
> Inachus fl. (Argolis) < *is-n-@... 'rapid water',
> Phaestum (Creta) < *pais-to- 'soot(ed)',
> Salamis ins. < *sal-m- 'salted, sea',
> Thebai < *(s)tebh- if compatible with the mycenean form te-qa

proposed by Joao

> various Larissa, -kynthos and -nthos
> and many others, more problematic.
> Most of these seems to have not a Greek etymology, so that in the

past a

> "Mediterranean" substratum was invoked (or , probably, invented) to

explain

> them.
>

I read Georgiev some years back. Well argued.
You find -ind, -und, -s in Danish pre-Germanic island names similar
to the -inthos, -unthos, -ssos place names of Georgiev's substratum
of Greek, see

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/5219

Interestingly, *bh, *dh, *gh > b, d, g and *p, *t, *k > ph, th, kh
would fit well with a pre-proto-Germanic-like language in Scandinavia.
Perhaps Georgiev's substratum language was spoken in Denmark too once?

Recently I found on the net excavations at Samara in Russia with
bronze age weapons of the same type as on the Lemnos stele and as
found in Danish bronze age finds, see the attached file in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/8522

You don't trade that kind of weapons, you bring them with you.

Torsten