Tyr and *Dyeus [was Re: Odin the Immigrant?]

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with the current theory of *Dyuas for the most part. I
> > simply
> > > disagree that the Germanic Tyr was the original *Dyuas (*Tiwaz)
> > displaced by
> > > a younger god local named Odin. The evidence for that is weak,
> and
> > the logic
> > > unsound.
> > >
> >
> > I still have yet to see anybody address here the linguistic
> problems
> > that exist in seeing Tyr as the equivalent of *Dyeus (as many

often

> > claim). As I have mentioned, Tyr should go back to a Germanic

form

> > *Tiwaz, allegedly from PIE *deiwos "god" (literally "shining

one"),

> > which is not the same as *Dyeus "sky" (even though they are from
> the
> > same root *dei- "shine").
> > Is it possible that Tyr is actually from *Dyeus after all, and

not

> > from *deiwos? How do we analyze the Roman Dius, a divinity that
> > allegedly has affinities with Tyr (connection with law/contracts,

a

> > bound hand compared to Tyr's missing hand).
> >
> > - Chris Gwinn
>
> I thought *deiwos and *dyeus were both related (< *d-y-w-)? I'm
> surprised you didn't know that?

Are you blind, Torsten? Read my posts more carefully before
responding to them! I said quite clearly in my last post (which you
even included in your snippet):
"Tyr should go back to a Germanic form *Tiwaz, allegedly from PIE
*deiwos "god" (literally "shining one"), which is not the same as
*Dyeus "sky" (even though they are from the same root *dei-
"shine")."

What do you not understand about my statement that both *Dyeus and
*deiwos both come from the same root *dei- "shine"?

- Chris Gwinn