Tyr and *Dyeus [was Re: Odin the Immigrant?]

--- In cybalist@..., "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...> wrote:

>
> > I agree with the current theory of *Dyuas for the most part. I
> simply
> > disagree that the Germanic Tyr was the original *Dyuas (*Tiwaz)
> displaced by
> > a younger god local named Odin. The evidence for that is weak,

and

> the logic
> > unsound.
> >
>
> I still have yet to see anybody address here the linguistic

problems

> that exist in seeing Tyr as the equivalent of *Dyeus (as many often
> claim). As I have mentioned, Tyr should go back to a Germanic form
> *Tiwaz, allegedly from PIE *deiwos "god" (literally "shining one"),
> which is not the same as *Dyeus "sky" (even though they are from

the

> same root *dei- "shine").
> Is it possible that Tyr is actually from *Dyeus after all, and not
> from *deiwos? How do we analyze the Roman Dius, a divinity that
> allegedly has affinities with Tyr (connection with law/contracts, a
> bound hand compared to Tyr's missing hand).
>
> - Chris Gwinn

I thought *deiwos and *dyeus were both related (< *d-y-w-)? I'm
surprised you didn't know that?

Torsten