Tyr and *Dyeus [was Re: Odin the Immigrant?]

--- In cybalist@..., "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree with the current theory of *Dyuas for the most part.

I

> > > simply
> > > > disagree that the Germanic Tyr was the original *Dyuas

(*Tiwaz)

> > > displaced by
> > > > a younger god local named Odin. The evidence for that is

weak,

> > and
> > > the logic
> > > > unsound.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still have yet to see anybody address here the linguistic
> > problems
> > > that exist in seeing Tyr as the equivalent of *Dyeus (as many
> often
> > > claim). As I have mentioned, Tyr should go back to a Germanic
> form
> > > *Tiwaz, allegedly from PIE *deiwos "god" (literally "shining
> one"),
> > > which is not the same as *Dyeus "sky" (even though they are

from

> > the
> > > same root *dei- "shine").
> > > Is it possible that Tyr is actually from *Dyeus after all, and
> not
> > > from *deiwos? How do we analyze the Roman Dius, a divinity that
> > > allegedly has affinities with Tyr (connection with

law/contracts,

> a
> > > bound hand compared to Tyr's missing hand).
> > >
> > > - Chris Gwinn
> >
> > I thought *deiwos and *dyeus were both related (< *d-y-w-)? I'm
> > surprised you didn't know that?
>
> Are you blind, Torsten? Read my posts more carefully before
> responding to them! I said quite clearly in my last post (which

you

> even included in your snippet):
> "Tyr should go back to a Germanic form *Tiwaz, allegedly from PIE
> *deiwos "god" (literally "shining one"), which is not the same as
> *Dyeus "sky" (even though they are from the same root *dei-
> "shine")."
>
> What do you not understand about my statement that both *Dyeus and
> *deiwos both come from the same root *dei- "shine"?
>
> - Chris Gwinn

Oops, you're right, sorry.

Torsten