Re: [tied] Re: Odin the Immigrant?

Greek Zeus had traits of Dyeus (mainly transferred to Ouranos) and
Thunder-god, and possibly the Terrible Soveireign and Law-giving Sovereign.

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Subject: [tied] Re: Odin the Immigrant?


> --- In cybalist@..., "William P. Reaves" <beowulf@...> wrote:
> > >That is certainly possible. I don't deny the Dyeus Pater element
> is there,
> > but since the Romans connected him to Mercury rather than Jupiter,
> I think
> > it must have been obscured by Odin's other characteristics.
> >
> > Recall the Romans also connected Thor to Jupiter, and Thor is never
> called
> > "father" in the general sense, as Odin is. So at best the Roman
> comparisons
> > were superficial.
>
> While I admit Thor was not nesessarily called father, nor was he head
> of the pantheon, I don't think this invalidates the Thor-Jupiter
> connection, anymore than Odin being called father means he is
> absolutely similar to Jupiter. I am not saying there isn't some
> similarity, perhaps even a shared title, but again I see too many
> characteristics in Odin that are not only absent from
> anything we know of Jupiter or Zeus, but also present in other Greek
> and Roman deities.
> Although the Roman comparison of Thor to Jupiter may seem superficial-
> Just based on the fact they are both thunder gods, there are other
> shared attributes(The oak tree, for instance) that also reenforce
> this connection.
>
> Also, the father epithet was applied to Mars and Janus in addition to
> Jupiter. Or Dis Pater, for that matter. This makes me lean toward an
> idea that the Father epithet could be attached to any diety that was
> at the head of a pantheon or of great importnace, as many scholars
> think both Janus and Mars were.
>
> I could see an argument, perhaps, that the older Dyaus Pater was
> more like Hermes or Saturn or Odin, and less like the Zeus presented
> to us by archaic/classical Greece, and the deity the title applied to
> evolved to fit the new storm god more familiar to us.
>
> Cort Williams
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