From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 10487
Date: 2001-10-20
--- In cybalist@..., lsroute66@... wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., babeck@... wrote:
> <<I have been unable to find a dating for the calendar fragment,
but
> it seems likely to be 6th century, because that was the date of the
> Gothic Kingdom in Italy.>>
>
> By asking for a cite, I was asking for where and how it was
reported.
> The provenance and orthography of such an item really are
important,
> particularly because it seems nothing at all like this has ever
been
> found.
>
> <<As for Frederick, it was my guess that he was a saint, but he may
> have been just a martyr. In any case he would have been an Arian,
so
> his name would not have been perpetuated by Catholicism.... what
are
> you suggesting? That is is a forgery?>>
>
> My point "on first impression" was that "(Saint) Frederick" created
a
> serious dating problem - prima facie.
>
> <<When you say that this "would not be ancient German", I have
never
> heard this suggestion before from any of the experts.>>
>
> The middle ages by convention are sometimes taken to begin at 500
> AD. Something written in Latin e.g. after that date would not be
> "ancient Latin" by that standard. As far as what the experts say,
I
> don't remember ever hearing about this item, for what it is worth.
> Heather and just about everyone else cites the ON instance to
support
> "got/thiuda." I'd like to know more. Steve