Re: [tied] *ekwos and friends

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> But the vocative ("summons" form) of *ek^w-o-s was
> *ek^w-e.

****GK: And by your earlier notion a vocative from
"kon'" should not be "kos'" Just now you suggested
"konik".("konyk" in Ukr.(=little horse, horsie, or
hossie as you quaintly put it).The expected vocative
there would be "konyku" not "kos'" (actually since
"kos'" could be an endearing diminutive ITS vocative
would then be "kos'iu" or even "kos'i(u)ku". Therefore
the expected vocative of *ek^w-o-s need not be the one
which actually emerges. Thanks for having spent so
much time on this. You have convinced me that "kos'"
cannot be accounted for in terms of normal textbook IE
linguistic evolutionary schemes. You have not
convinced me that it is not an ancient word used to
call horses. Even my limited language knowledge tells
me that regularities don't always reflect reality. "It
isn't necessarily so" frequently becomes "it ain't
necessarily so" and "I know nothing" becomes "I don't
know nothing". Perhaps the problem is insoluble. But I
do like the evocation of an individual standing in the
steppe of Dereivka in 4000 BC holding a bone bit in
his hand and shouting "kos' kos'" (or perhaps "kos"
kos" (without the '"******
Besides,

> what happened to *e- and *-w-?

****** GK Perhaps the same thing that happened to
Alex- in "Sasha" or "Sashko"****

Look, historical

> linguistics _doesn't_
> work by inventing a chain of ad hoc irregular
> transformations to
> relate two forms that you'd like to be related. If
> an etymology
> doesn't work, special pleading won't make it better.
> Please take my
> word for it that this particular *ek^wos : kos' is
> indefensible.
>
> Piotr
>
>
> --- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> > *****GK: What about a simpler route:
> > 1. The "summons cry" emerges as "kos'" at a time
> when
> > the term for "horse" for the population in
> question is
> > still "ekwos". It doesn't seem far fetched to
> suppose
> > that a cry is simplified in this way.
> > 2. This "cry" is maintained even as the other
> language
> > shifts occur.[analogy: the mysterious "tsur (tobi)
> > pek" expression in Ukr. I don't know if it exists
> in
> > other Slavic languages. It may. You tell me]
> > 3. This cry remains in the vocabulary of some
> groups
> > (but is lost in that of others) and eventually
> > produces some derivatives based on "kos'"*****
>
>

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