Re: [tied] Re: MARS etymology

I think stone (sta:n<stainaz) and stanita (<*(s)tenH- cf. thunder, tonans)
are not related roots.
*stainaz < *stoinos < *stei- "to coagulate, become thick, stiffen", maybe
originally applied to ice. cf. Greek stear "tallow", Latin stiria "drop".
Perhaps stear and stainaz are related to a neuter n/r noun *steyn/r-

Dumezil points this connexion between Mavort- and Marut. Marduk also had a
group of winds as soldiers ( I don't remember if 7 or 8).

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Subject: [tied] Re: MARS etymology


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> --- In cybalist@..., liberty@... wrote:
> > I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that Mars might somehow
> > be connected to Sk. marút- (*ma:wort-, *mawrt- > *marut-). Is
> > there anything to this?
> > -David
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> That seems to be a near-universal consensus. However, I suspect that
> recent authors repeat it as fact without questioning it. There were
> eight maruts, attendants of Indra. The name translates as "storm".
> They are the eight directions on the compass. I don't care if it was
> Dumezil himself who wrote it, it's a great leap from Skt
> marut, "storm", to Skt marya, "warrior", which seems to be a possible
> cognate for Mars.
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> Indra is commonly seen as a war god. Not. He was a thunder-god. A
> monster-slayer. Thunder-gods have some overlap with war-gods but they
> are different. Thunder-gods have bludgeons such as hammers, axes,
> clubs, or just stones (=Skt stanita, "thunder"?). War-gods have
> swords. Thunder-gods ride in chariots pulled not by horses. War-gods
> ride horses (usually white). War-gods are associated with clear skies
> and light - not storms.
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> Storm-gods appeal to individuals, usually the lower classes, for
> justice in the face of oppression from the warrior or princely
> classes. War-gods are invoked by the warriors in times of war (duh!).
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> In fact, I see them as state-gods invoked to protect the state.
> Indeed, I suggest that various IE names for boundary, border,
> frontier, are derived from the same root word. Warriors perambulated
> along the frontiers on horseback, defending it against attackers.
> Hence we have Gaul marg-a, ON mork, OE maere, Goth marka, Rum
> margine, Skt maryada, Ave maraza-, etc ('boundary, border,
> frontier'), Hitt mark-a ('to separate, divide'). I also suspect the
> many rivers rooted with Mar- are derived from this same concept.
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