Re: [tied] a(i)s-

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 9974
Date: 2001-10-03

Torsten,
 
They are lookalikes, not cognates. Cognacy is demonstrated by establishing regular correspondences and showing that your forms conform to them. Even if you want to get around this requirement by postulating loans rather than cognates, you have to make it clear which ancient stage of the source language the borrowing comes from. Your use of ahistorical collections of modern words (following Manansala, in the case of Austronesian), with no diachronic analysis, produces merely a mirage of similarity. For example, Malayo-Polynesian "fire" words like <afi> or <ahi> may seem to resemble PIE *h2ah-, until you realise that the medial consonant reflects earlier (lenited) *p (Malay api might have given you a hint). Actually, the PAN protoform is *Sapuy (> *hapuy > api etc.). The similarity is gone. You don't go through this kind of historical checking branch after branch. The fact that, say, modern Binandere has a "fire" word which looks exactly like Sumerian izi (used almost 5000 years ago), means nothing. Sumerian didn't borrow words from modern Binandere, and the early MP prototype of the Binandere "fire" word was not like <izi> at all.
 
Piotr
 
 
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Subject: Re: [tied] a(i)s-


Which would wrap up the case if *H2ay- had been an IE-only word. But
it has cognates in AfroAsiatic and FinnoUgric (says Bomhard) and
Sumerian and Austronesian (says Manansala), see

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Hs.html