Re: When Germani?

You actually believe this? You misuse the term 'creole'.

> Just for the record, that's different from my view.
> I think proto-Germanic was first used by some traders on the Russian
> rivers when trading at the European watershed around the Tanew

river,

> as I think Piotr suggested. This is the area where according to
> classical Greek writers Celtic and Scythic clash. ("Celto-Scythic
> bastardisation"). In my view it was at first a pidgin language, but
> possibly became a creole as people settled permanently in the
> transshipment area. It was one of the twelve languages Snorri
> mentions. When "Odin" (or whoever he was) left with his followers
> (from the city of Tanais?) around 70 BCE to avoid the invasion of
> Pompey he left behind what was to become the East Germanic speakers.
> He arrived in Thuringia and set up a kingdom and distributed land to
> his followers. They used there the creole that they used to use in
> the area closest to their new home, ie. Germanic. This was the
> beginning of West Germanic languages."Odin" then moved on to Odense,
> set up a kingdom and distributed land there and sent an expedition

to

> Sweden. This was the beginning of the North Germanic languages.
> Snorri in the Prolog says that the language of the invaders became
> the language of the land. The fragmentation and elitism of the

Celtic

> languages favored the spread of the new creole (even today, no

matter

> how fervently nationalist a Welshman and Irishman are, when they
> communicate, it is in English). Also, the Celtic tribes were

weakened

> and scattered by the Cimbric invasions. In short, the story of
> England was just a repeat performance.
> This, I think would match Caesar's first being aware of distinction
> between the Galli and the Germani ("true" Galli) around 59 BCE.
>
> Torsten