Re: [tied] French stuff

Dan:

>Is that a belgian thing? In France we definately say /lHi/, where /H/ is
>the upside-down <h> in IPA. The same sound as at the start
>of huit.

Actually, that's what I personally meant by [lyi] but I don't have
an upside-down "h" on my keyboard.

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>
>Then, gibbsp@... wrote:
>
> > Is the [dz] a representation of the voiced alveolar affricate? If so
> > IMHO this is a misconception of Anglophones like you and me on
> > hearing the French /d/ and /t/, particularly before /i/. The
> > French /d/ and /t/ are almost pure dentals unlike their alveolar
> > English counterparts. An anglo incorrectly hears or misinterprets
> > the sound (probably the release of air) as affrication.
>
><giggle> No, he's referring to the Quebecois accent, where /t/ and /d/
>become dental affricates before /i/. It's not standard continental French.
>BTW, there's very little release of air when pronouncing word-initial
>stops-
>we don't aspirate them like you anglos do.
>
>Dan
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>La plus belle fois qu'on m'a dit
> "je t'aime"
> c'�tait un mec
> qui me l'a dit...
>Francis Lalane
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