Odp: [tied] Re: House and City

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> Needless to say, these examples were not meant to be particularly
> convincing to the likes of you, Miguel :)). Just a couple of

remarks:

>
> Bopp was only aware of the existence of the Malayo-Polynesian

group,

> and only a few MP languages, such as Malagasy or Malay could be
> studied in Europe at his time. It's interesting that as we move

back

> in time from MP to PA, the striking similariy of the word for "2"
> (most impressive for the form <dua>) to its IE counterpart begins

to

> fade somewhat.

The obvious retort to that is that these words were borrowed into IE
and AA from MP, not PA. (Ha! Gotcha!)

>
> I propose we should further assume that "5" and "10" are not truly
> ancient in PIE (the are indeclinable and in general perilously
>close
> to that stretch of evidently innovated numerals from "6" to "9").

Torsten:
"5" can be re-derived in IE from the 'hand' stuff.
A-hm. If the theory you are arguing against is that "6" to "9" were
borrowed then your argument that they are not ancient i IE does not
further your cause.

Piotr:

>Of
> course "1" is not a real numeral at all ... so, let's face it, the
> only true PIE numerals are "2", "3" and "4" -- and they are all
> shared with PA -- three out of three! Such is the power of extra
> assumptions!
>
> ;)
>
> Piotr
>
>

Torsten