Re: [tied] Re: Hun-hunting

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6285
Date: 2001-03-02

Germanic names *could* in theory contain the element hu:n- 'Hun(nish)', since all Germanic languages had the word in question (OE Hu:nas, Hu:ne, OIcel. Húnar, MHG Hiune). The history of the Huns was well known to all ("Aetla we:old Hu:num ...") and assimilated into Germanic tribal legends. In Germanic epics, Attila's kingdom is anything but barbarian or even exotic. The Huns are just like the Goths or the Burgundians. Your irony is unjustified. Nobody's career would be jeopardised for dragging in the Huns. The problem is rather that ethnonyms are not conspicuous as first-name elements in Germanic. Animal names, on the other hand, are very often used in this function (Wulf, Ulf, Wulfstan, Cuthwulf, Hrothulf, Wulfila, Wolfram, Athelwulf, Beowulf, Arnulf, etc., as well as Björn, Hengest and Horsa, Cubba, Catta, etc.). Hu:n-sta:n is just no less and no more logical than the common name Wulf-sta:n -- a name was composed of conventional elements and didn't have to mean much or serve as a talisman. When your parents called you "Torsten" they probably just liked the sound of it and/or its Danishness, and were not particularly concerned about its thunderstone etymology and magical significance
 
There are quite a few Old English names with hu:n- (Hu:nbald, Aelfhu:n), and any of them could be abbreviated to Hu:na. Even if Hu:nbald "etymologically" meant 'as bold as a Hun' rather than 'as bold as a young bear', its occurrence in England did not require the physical presence of any Huns (or bear-cubs, for that matter) -- it was just the product of a traditional naming pattern.
 
While we are at it, there are other possible sources of toponymic Hun- and Humble- apart from hu:n 'bear-cub' (OIcel. húnn). For example, hu:ne 'horehound', OE hymele (and ON humli) 'hops' as in Himbleton and Humbleton, ON humul 'knob, hillock' (in northern England), or even hund 'dog'.
 
Piotr
 
 
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Subject: [tied] Re: Hun-hunting

Of course they mean "bear's cub". Suppose you were English and writing a book about English place names. Suppose further that you suggested one of these names had anything to do with "Hun". What do you think this would do to the promotion of your career? Should we ask mr. Woodson?

Mr. Huna also surfaces in Danish place name litterature. And who would want a name like "bear cub stone"? (I think "Thorr's stone" sounds much nicer).