Re: [tied] Re: Hun-hunting

When I was growing up in Missouri there was a near by town named
Hunnewell. I always thought the 300, or so, inhabitants had a rather
swarthy look. And they had this thing for wagons...

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From: <tgpedersen@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:42 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Hun-hunting


> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen@...
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [tied] Huns
> >
> >
> >
> > Something from Galster's book that might interest also non-Danes:
> >
> > Saxo: Dan and Angel were the sons of a king Humbli.
> >
> > Roman de Brut, verse 1331: ...Humbers, roi des Hunus...
> >
> > The ON poem "The Battle of the Goths and Huns" describes Humli as
> the
> > leader of the Huns.
> >
> > Jordanes: Hulmul/Humal.
> >
> > which all seems to suggest that the Danes and the Angles at one
> time
> > were subjugated by the Huns.
> >
> > "A Frankish source" (some annal of the plunderings of the Normans
> in
> > France 833-896) calls their homeland "Scanzia" and states that it
> is
> > populated by Goths, Huns and Danes, which would suggest they are
> not
> > yet extinct at that time. Galster suggests a connection with the
> > river Humber in England and the village of Hunsborough a few km
> south
> > of Northampton. Morton, writing in the 18th century, states that a
> > Danish camp was situated there, therefore, presumably Huns went a-
> > viking with the Danes. In 448, Priskos, a Roman emissary, was told
> in
> > Attila's camp in Pannonia that Attila had just added "the islands
> in
> > the Ocean" to his empire.
> >
> > Saxo: Humbli's successor was Loter, his brother.
> >
> > Roman sources: Attila's brother-in-law war Laudarius.
> >
> > "The battle of the Goths and the Huns": Hlodr is also called
> > Humlungr, thus presumably Humbli's son.
> >
> > Torsten
>
> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > The Humber was called Humbre (feminine!) before the first viking
> raids upon the British Isles; also the Anglian kingdom of Northumbria
> ("North of the Humber") was formed under that name very early in the
> 7th c. Geoffrey de Monmouth and Drayton fantastically derived the
> Humber's name from that of a Hunnish king who was drowned there while
> being chased by Locrine, the son of Brutus.
>
> Torsten:
> Thank you for pointing out that source to me.
>
> Piotr:
> As all the world knows, rivers and estuaries are usually named after
> heroes who drown in them, but there are at least eleven and perhaps
> up to fifteen rivers Humber in England (according to Eilert Ekwall)
> and a Hun called Humber can hardly have perished in each of them.
>
> Torsten:
> This is very advanced logic. There are also several rivers in Europe
> containing the element *d-n- (in case you didn't know!). The Danube
> is beautiful and blue. Therefore the Dniestr, Dniepr, Don and Donets
> are beautiful and blue. Yes?
> On the other hand, maybe a Hun named Humber once drowned in a river
> on the continent. That river was later renamed, but the Angles
> brought the river name with them to their new home.
>
> >
> > The etymology of English (or other) placenames cannot be discussed
> meaningfully without investigating the recorded history of each
> place, older spelling variants (Old English, Domesday Book), etc.
> Otherwise, how would you hope to guess that, e.g., Brighton (the
> resort) was "Beorhthelmes tu:n" once opon a time?
> >
> Torsten:
> I know. This is why I post here, because I know you will look it up
> for me.
>
> Piotr:
> > Hunstanton (Nf) (pronounced "hunston" locally) < Hun(e)stanes
> tu:n 'Hunstan's farmstead', but Hunston (Sf) < Hunteres
> tu:n 'Hunter's farmstead', while Hunston (W Sussex) < Hunan
> sta:n 'Huna's boundary stone'. The rather common Anglo-Saxon personal
> name Huna, which underlies dozens of Hun- placenames in Britain,
> meant "bear's cub", not "Hun".
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> Torsten:
> Of course they mean "bear's cub". Suppose you were English and
> writing a book about English place names. Suppose further that you
> suggested one of these names had anything to do with "Hun". What do
> you think this would do to the promotion of your career? Should we
> ask mr. Woodson?
> Mr. Huna also surfaces in Danish place name litterature.
> And who would want a name like "bear cub stone"?
> (I think "Thorr's stone" sounds much nicer)
>
> Torsten
>
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