Re: Danubo-Troadic.

Glen why don't you get it

> The date for Uralic's split from Nostratic is dependent on how you

mean, how

> one envisions the dispersal of Nostratic languages and whom you talk

to. If

> you're talking to me, I say that Uralic split from Uralic-Yukaghir

circa

> 5000 BCE,

Agreed
7-5,500 BCE = Uralic Mesolithic

which split from Steppe circa 9000 BCE

Agreed
9,1-8,000 BCE Murzak-Koba Mesolithic

which split away from

> Eurasiatic circa 12000 BCE

Agreed
18-10,500 BCE Kebaran (Kebaran)

which split away from Nostratic circa
15000 BCE -

Also Kebaran (Palestine)

The Kebaran shows a clear link through
Kebaran to 13-10,000 BCE Belbasi (Anatolia) and 10,500-8,500 BCE
Natufian to 9,800-5,794 BCE Franchi Cave and thence to the Murzak Koba
culture. Thus

> to give the short answer. My dispersal is dependent on a Central

Asian

> origin for both IE and Uralic (a la Allen Bomhard).
>

Bomhard is clearly wrong on this. Central Asia circa 9,000 BCE was
under Glacial Meltwater (Lake Tunguskaya), and the subsequent
movements all came from the west (Oh I forgot, Glen, you have the
languages swimming against the tide, don't you).

> But it still makes IE originate from Anatolia and it's something

that I

> can't swallow because of my feelings on Nostratic and

IndoEuropean-Uralic

> relationship. To me, making IE originate from Anatolia not only is

ugly in

> terms of time-depth but cannot be reasonably explored without

explaining

> away Uralic similarities.

Not so.... The Uralic connection fits comfortably within a mesolithic
scenario, Glen.

Regards

John