From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4275
Date: 2000-10-12
> believe, there are vague memories of lands lost beneath the sea as aI agree with you.
> result of the melting of the Ice, from the last Ice Age. Of course
> at such a time span this is also impossble to prove.>
> Some have seen a consistent error in Plato's account. He is clearlyI think Egyptian would never confuse Crete with an legendary Atlantis.
> describing a Bronze Age culture beyond the Pillars of Hercules. And
> yet he sets it 9,000 years earlier. It has been suggested that this
> results from an Egyptian scribal error - the hieroglyphics for 900
> could be read for 9,000. Furthermore, it has been suggested that the
> ancient name for Crete (Keftiu) actually means "Pillar". Biblical
> tradition mentions that the Philistines massed in Crete before coming
> as Peoples of the Sea to invade Egypt.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft <jdcroft@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:03 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Black Sea
> João wrote:
> > Well, the Atlantis myth exists literally only in Greece, but we
> don''t know
> > if the sources of Plato was Greek - he stated they were Egyptian.
>
> Yes he claims it came via Solon, the Athenian Law Giver, an ancestor
> of his, from a priest at Heliopolis. Despite this Atlantis has a
> good Aegean feel to the name (-nt-s) being a pre-Greek place name
> marker from the Caucasas to Italy. Atla- also fits into Atlas, and
> is found in such names as Atalanta of Calydon.
>
> I have an unprovable theory that Atalantoi was the name the People of
> the Sea gave to themselves (tala = thalassa (Sea)). Thus the fact
> that the Egyptians called tem People of the Sea, I believe, may have
> been a translation into Egyptian, of what they called themselves.
>
> Mind you, they also had a whole range of ethnic names too that the
> Egyptians were good at remembering - which suggests that whatever
> they called themselves they we a coalition of many peoples. This is
> what Plato himself hints at when he suggests that they had ten kings
> (whose names he gives).
>
> Some have seen a consistent error in Plato's account. He is clearly
> describing a Bronze Age culture beyond the Pillars of Hercules. And
> yet he sets it 9,000 years earlier. It has been suggested that this
> results from an Egyptian scribal error - the hieroglyphics for 900
> could be read for 9,000. Furthermore, it has been suggested that the
> ancient name for Crete (Keftiu) actually means "Pillar". Biblical
> tradition mentions that the Philistines massed in Crete before coming
> as Peoples of the Sea to invade Egypt.
>
> One interesting thing about Platos account is that it states that
> only Egypt and Athens survived the disruption caused by the
> Atlantians. It is also an interesting fact that only Athens and
> Egypt resisted the disruption of the Peoples of te Sea. Only in
> these two areas did the Late Bronze Age culture survive.
>
> Whatever the truth about Atlantis it is clear that Plato intended to
> write more on the subject, but never did. The story of Atlantis was
> composed while the philosopher was at the court of the king of
> Syracuse, which was then engaged in a struggle with Carthage. Some
> have seen an analogy between Carthage and Atlantis. Graves even
> makes out that the Atlantians came from Libyan or Berber tribes
> living close to the Atlas mountains.
>
> Joao continues
> > Similar
> > legends of sinking lands are present in Celts (Ys, Lyonesse, Hy
> Brazil, etc)
> > and India (Rutas). The Flood myth occurs in Greece, India,
> Lithuania,
> > Scandinavia, Ireland, and in many non-IE people all around the
> world.
>
>
> Regards
>
> John
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