Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

From: Mark Odegard
Message: 3305
Date: 2000-08-20

I don't know about Sky-Mother. In the early days of this list, I asked what gender sun and moon were in post-Anatolic IE. We know the sun is female and the moon male in Germanic. Lady Sun as consort to Lord Day-Sky, with Lord Moon having Lady Night-Sky has his consort?
 
It's occured to me there may have been a distinction between moonlit and moonless night skies. Some sort of Hecate, perhaps, patron goddess of night-baying dogs and things that go bump in the night.
 
With Dawn-Goddess, we have to mention Helen, the sun-maiden, and her two horse-god brothers.
 
But, isn't the distinction between the waters of the sky, the waters of the earth, and the earth itself? The IEs seem to have been landlubbers, well away from any oceanic experience. Water welled up from the body of Mother Earth in springs or streams, or came down from Sky-Father, both of whom kept her moist.
 
The Child of the Water is baffling, but the reflexes are there, from India to Ireland to Greece. An adoption or marriage ritual? A coronation ritual?
 
Three *ALBHEWES. Elves, right? I've suggested this means 'foreign trader/metal worker'. Not gods, not even minor demi-gods, but folklore characters, pixies, faeries, of that sort -- magical beings, not divine beings.
 
Mark.
----- Original Message -----
From: João Simões Lopes Filho
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

1) *Pexwr-Genos can't explain Fjo"rgynn. Fjo"rgynn <*Perkunos
2) I don't believe *Eryomon = *Manus.

3) Those are my opinions about main PIE Gods (The PIE names are arbitrary)

*DYE:U "Sky-Father, All-Father" < Zeus, Jupiter, Odinn, Dyau/Kashyapa>
*DYU:NI: "Sky-Mother, All-Mother <Dione, Juno, Aditi, Frigg>  { In my
opinion there's no Earth-Heaven couple in PIE mythology - this concept was
later influence of Sumerian/Western Asia mythology}
their children:
*PERKUNOS/PERAUNOS "Thunder-God" <Zeus,Jupiter, Thorr (Odinn), Indra,
Perunu>

*WA:TNOS "Terrible Sovereign, one-eyed; Master of Beast-men" <Zeus, Jupiter
Stator, Varuna, Odinn, Lugh>
*MITROS "Peacemaker, one-handed; Justice and law" <Zeus(Apollon), Mitra,
Tyr, Nuada>

*ERYOMEN "Protector of Community; Weddings, Births" <Aryaman, Balder,
Eleuthia (female), Juventas(female)>
*BHAGOS "Destiny, Blind" <Bhaga, Ho"dr, Terminus>

*RUDROS "God of vengeance, Health and Pestilence" <Rudra, Apollon, Vali>
*WISNUS "Savior of Gods; Giant; Space" <Vishnu, Vidarr, Herakles/Briareos, Vidarr, Lugh>
*EGNIS "Fire; trickster; multiform" <Agni, Loki, Prometheus
(Hermes,Hephaistos)>
*WE:YUS "Wind; violent; horse-bringer, super-strength" <Vayu, Poseidaon,
Thorr>
*LA:TRI: "The Night Goddess"  <Ra:tri, Leto (Nyx)>
*AUSO:S "The Dawn Goddess" <Mater Matuta, Eos, Ushas, *Austron->
*SWEL "Sun, all-seeing, all-hearing" <Surya, Sol, Apollon (Helios),
Heimdallr (!) >

Other gods I can't deduce the relationship:
*APOM NEPOT "The Child of Waters; Master of Subterraneous Waters" <Apam
Napat, Neptunus, Poseidaon, Mimir>
*? "God of Time; First to Born, first to die <Heimdallr, Bhishma, Lugh,
Akhiles (epic doublet), Diana>
Three *ALBHEWES "The Heavenly Artisans <Kyklopes, Rbhus, Goibniu and 2
brothers; Ivaldir's children>
*? "Bright God, three-legged, magic ship, flying horse, master of air elves" <Freyr, Manawyddan, Manannan, Kubera>
*? "Dark God, giant; Underworld, master of subterraneous elves" <Surtur,
Bran, Ravana>
*? "God who lose his head; wise " <Mimir, Bran, Daksha/Ganesha>
*LOUKSNA "THe Moon (female or male? androgynous?), Triple Goddess?" <Selene, Artemis,  Luna, Durga>
*WRTA:S" "The three Old Women, Fate" <Parcae(Vorta), Moirai, Nornir(Urd),
Three-folded Durga?, Badb?, Rozhenitsa>

I want to know about your opinions...


Joao SL
Rio