Re: [tied] Re: More tidbits about the painfully obvious origins of

From: Marc Verhaegen
Message: 3221
Date: 2000-08-17

>In reply to my post
>> Instead the principal component for
>> >both Europe and Asia is out of the middle east (reflecting the out
>> >of Africa movements). The second in both is in Arctic areas, one
>> >Samoyed, the other Saami. The Third for Europe is Basque. For
>> >Asia it is the separation between North and South Mongols. The
>> >Fourth for Europe is the Pontic Steppe, for Asia it is Jomon
>> >Japanese (and Gilyak!) So there seems to be no extensive movement
>> >of human genes in this direction.
>
>Marc wrote
>> If IE came from north-east-Europe, C-S's 2d component could have
>> been IE? or IE+Uralic+Altaic for Eurasia: from the north? = Boreal
>> rather than Steppe? perhaps these peoples travelled south during a
>> cold period?? = 25-20 ka? I haven't seen C-S's components for Asia,
>> but his 3d component for Europe has its centre in Ukraine, isn't it?
>> AFAIK, the 4th has its centre in Greece (or Greece+NW-Turkey), the
>> 5th in Viskaya.
>
>Marc, we seem to be working to different texts here. This is what I
>have for C-S and Europe ("History and Geography of Human Genetics")

(year of publication?)

>1st PC = Arabia, Middle East, Anatolia and Caucasas
>2nd PC = Nthn Norway to the Karelian Peninsula
>3rd PC = Ukrainian Steppe
>4th PC = Ireland, Scotland, England and Britanny
>5th PC = Viscaya
>6th PC = Basques, Caucasians & Strongest in Northern Norway
>The 6th is very interesting as it seems to be the "Upper Paleolithic"
>one. The 3rd I'd suggest is PIE (C-S links it to this too).
>Unfortunately there is no continuity betwee the 2nd PC for Asia and
>Europe. One is Scandinavian, the other the point at which the Lena
>flows out to sea. Regards John

This is what I have (from "The great human diasporas" 1995 & from "Genes,
peoples & languages" PNAS 94:7719-24, 1997):
1st (28%): centre in Middle East
2d: (22%): N-Scandinavia
3d (11%): Ukraine
4th (7%): S-Italy+Greece+W-Turkey
5th (5%): Viskaya

Marc