Re: More tidbits about the painfully obvious origins of IndoEuropean

In reply to my post

> Instead the principal component for
> >both Europe and Asia is out of the middle east (reflecting the out
> >of Africa movements). The second in both is in Arctic areas, one
> >Samoyed, the other Saami. The Third for Europe is Basque. For
> >Asia it is the separation between North and South Mongols. The
> >Fourth for Europe is the Pontic Steppe, for Asia it is Jomon
> >Japanese (and Gilyak!) So there seems to be no extensive movement
> >of human genes in this direction.

Marc wrote

> If IE came from north-east-Europe, C-S's 2d component could have
> been IE? or IE+Uralic+Altaic for Eurasia: from the north? = Boreal
> rather than Steppe? perhaps these peoples travelled south during a
> cold period?? = 25-20 ka? I haven't seen C-S's components for Asia,
> but his 3d component for Europe has its centre in Ukraine, isn't

it?

> AFAIK, the 4th has its centre in Greece (or Greece+NW-Turkey), the
> 5th in Viskaya.

Mark we seem to be working to different texts here. This is what I
have for C-S and Europe ("History and Geography of Human Genetics")
1st PC = Arabia, Middle East, Anatolia and Caucasas
2nd PC = Nthn Norway to the Karelian Peninsula
3rd PC = Ukrainian Steppe
4th PC = Ireland, Scotland, England and Britanny
5th PC = Viscaya
6th PC = Basques, Caucasians & Strongest in Northern Norway

The 6th is very interesting as it seems to be the "Upper Paleolithic"
one. The 3rd I'd suggest is PIE (C-S links it to this too).
Unfortunately there is no continuity betwee the 2nd PC for Asia and
Europe. One is Scandinavian, the other the point at which the Lena
flows out to sea.

Regards

John