> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:52:20 -0500, Richard Wordingham
> richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 8:14 PM, Nicholas Bodely wrote:

>> UTF-8 fails for a browser sender

> Not always.

> "Toys 'Я' Us" <-- to force sending in utf-8 without redefining my
> default.

This is a codepoint that isn't corrupted! I got my quick calculations
wrong - Cyrillic isn't devastated, because it only uses 2 bytes per
codepoint in UTF-8. Only Cyrillic one codepoint in 16 gets corrupted when
replying at the Yahoo web pages.

> My point is not to promote Opera, but to say that it does work. One can
> send in roughly 45 encodings, specifiable right in the e-mail header.

>> The only workable solution seems to be post by e-mail, which is not an
>> option I like. I much prefer working from the browser.

> I always do.

Always do what? It looks to me as though you used e-mail to send this
reply, rather than typing it in the textbox on a web page. Please clarify.
If this was sent from the web page, I am very interested in Opera. For
e-mail, even Outlook Express should work - though the 'reply to' function
leaves quite a bit to be desired.

I can't say I like the new way the archives are displayed. I hope the new
capabilities outweigh the losses.

>> I would like to be wrong, so if there is a way to post mixed script
>> messages from a browser, please tell me what it is.

> Not to promote -- try Opera.

See above.

>> It collides if you send UTF-8 down a channel expecting ISO-8859 bytes.
>> Apparently that's why the mojibake doubled in size every time a message
passed through YahooGroups. (That mojibake began as so-called "smart
quotes", iirc).

>> I believe UTF-7 is designed to pass down such channels.

> I'm surely no expert, but that looks right.

>> How do I hack into the Yahoo system to change the way they convert
>> postings in the web page to e-mails? Isn't that illegal?

> If I understood the suggestion, it was to use CSS at the viewer's computer
> to modify how the Yahoo page was displayed. I still have oodles to learn
> about CSS, but it's really worth knowing about. In any half-decent
> browser, CSS can modify the presentation dramatically.

I don't see how casacading style sheets would change the way forms were
posted, to use two very technical words in this context.

Richard.