On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:37:30 -0500, Peter T. Daniels
<grammatim@...> wrote:

> At a guess, I'd say you're talking about Unicode, rather than about the
> standard Windows font with fewer than 255 characters?

Theer are many standard Windows fonts, more accurately de facto standards
that might have been made official because they are widely used. There are
about 8 or 9 of them in the Win-125x series.

> Does this, BTW, mean that Unicode isn't useful for typing Hungarian
> without creating new characters from separate components? Are ordinary
> computer-users in Budapest supposed to be able to do that?

They have been, even back in MS-DOS days, I'm almost sure. IBM must have
had a codepage (850? I doubt that...) to accommodate Hungarian. Problem
was, it was incompatible, and one of the many reasons for developing
Unicode.

Any decently set-up Hungarian machine that uses a subset of Unicode can
accept and render U+0150, 0151, 0170, and 0171. There's no need at all for
combining forms.

Here's a chart (also a test of your browser and installed fonts) of Apple
Macintosh Roman, which I'm guessing is what Peter's using.

[Please note! Unless you have the proper font already installed, the
characters will *not* all render correctly. With Unicode support installed
(even Win 98 SE!), they render fine. It really helps to have Arial
Unicode, although that font is not the last word in "wide-range" Unicode
fonts.]

Apple "MacRoman":
It's definitely not new, probably predating ISO 8859. Please see
<http://www.kostis.net/charsets/applerom.htm>

HURRAH! Found it! <http://www.kostis.net/charsets/appleice.htm>
This encoding should work on your Mac, I think.
Ask Mac people for help; try to find out what version of your operating
system you're using. Mac folk know how to do that. Once they know, they
could tell you whether it would work with your machine, and how to obtain
it. I doubt that it costs anything other than a floppy and postage.

Please see also:

applecro.htm Apple Macintosh Roman-Croatian <-- {spelling fixed here --nb}
applecyr.htm Apple Macintosh Cyrillic
applegk2.htm Apple ][ Greek extended for Macintosh
applegrk.htm Apple Macintosh Greek
appleice.htm Apple Macintosh Roman-Icelandic and Faroese
applerom.htm Apple Macintosh Roman
applerum.htm Apple Macintosh Roman-Romanian
appletur.htm Apple Macintosh Roman-Turkish

All of these are old and were/are standard; they are at
<http://www.kostis.net/charsets/>, where you can find charts for them and
many other older encodings. Kosta

I've been chattering about Win encodings. Here is a collection:

Win 1250 (EE)
Win 1251 (Cyrl)
Win 1252 (ANSI)
Win 1253 (Greek)
Win 1254 (Turk)
Win 1255 (Hebr)
Win 1256 (Arab)
Win 1257 (BaltRim)
Win 1258 (Viet)

I edited those names for conciseness. All are outdated, although no doubt
still widely used. I consider use of Win-1252 on the Web (especially if
there's no charset declaration) to be poor manners.

Historic stuff:

Here's where the file is, <isocp101.zip>, that I used to set up my MS-DOS
machine for '8859 encodings:
<http://www.kostis.net/en/>

Codepage 819 is Latin-1, DOS format, but you need Kosta's replacement
commands to use it. (I did, for several years.)

Regards,

--
Nicholas Bodley /*|*\ Waltham, Mass.
The curious hermit -- autodidact and polymath