--- In qalam@yahoogroups.com, John Cowan <cowan@...> wrote:

> Michael Everson scripsit:
>
> > Seizure and (be)sieger?
>
> The context of my original remark appears to have been lost.

Instances

> of [Z] that are transparently derived from /zj/ are out of the

case.

> The issue is to find a contrast between [dZ] and [Z] where the

latter

> could *not* be analyzed as /zj/.
>
> The nearest thing to a minimal pair I've found so far in my

idiolect is

> page [dZ] and beige [Z].

Yes - I realized later that I had not read the original context
(about /zj/) and was only looking for both word final and
intervocalic minimal pairs or approximations like beige and page.

Suz