Michael Everson wrote:

>
> At 08:50 -0400 2004-05-28, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >Michael Everson wrote:
> >>
> >> At 07:51 -0400 2004-05-28, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>
> >> >You acknowledge that these lexical items are from other languages! Thus
> >> >the alien sounds in them are not part of English.
> >>
> >> Different from the original point, though. The
> >> sound "zh" in "measure" is an import into
> >> English. Some dialects of English have [x]. In my
> >> own dialect I use [ç] in words like "human"
> >> ['çjum@...].
> >
> >There's no phoneme /ç/. /hy/ --> [ç].
>
> Of course I did say "sound". ;-)

But the comparison was with /Z/ !
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