At 08:50 -0400 2004-05-28, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>Michael Everson wrote:
>>
>> At 07:51 -0400 2004-05-28, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> >You acknowledge that these lexical items are from other languages! Thus
>> >the alien sounds in them are not part of English.
>>
>> Different from the original point, though. The
>> sound "zh" in "measure" is an import into
>> English. Some dialects of English have [x]. In my
>> own dialect I use [ç] in words like "human"
>> ['çjum@...].
>
>There's no phoneme /ç/. /hy/ --> [ç].

Of course I did say "sound". ;-)
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