Well.
        I know that what i consciously think use to be in some degree mere suppositions.
I tell you now as before "what i think" as a native speaker. In the game of changing
all vowels for a given vowel the change would be, for < buen tiempo >:
 
        <ban tampa, ben tempe, bon tompo > etcetera, 
 
I have asked to my family, and they agree with this. But i wouldn't denay the possibility
of some individual children irregularly sayingh < buan tiampa, ...>, you know that real
facts use to have a variety of traits that don't have introspective theories.
 
        And, in <buen tiempo> --> < bugüegen tiguiegempogo >
 
the difficult point are < n > and < m >, i think there could be irregularities like:
 
            < bugüengue tiguiegempogo > or < bugüeguen tiguiengepogo >
 
And be aware that what i have named irregularities wouldn't be usally taken as faults
in that games; as they are not tongue twisters. A popular Spanish tongue twister is,
for example, to say quickly: < un tigre, dos tigres, tres tigres >
 
        Yours,
                                            mariano
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Piotr Gasiorowski
To: phoNet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [phoNet] Ludlings

Muguchagas gragacigiagas, Mariano. In fact, I wondered how a native speaker of Spanish would treat the non-syllabic part of <ue> and <ie>. But i suppose that in you substitution game you'd say <buan tiampa, buen tiempe, buon tiompo> etc.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [phoNet] Ludlings
[...]
   V --> VgV for all vowels.
 [...]
e.g. in Spanish:
 
   <bueno tiempo> --> <bueguenogo tieguempogo>, I presume.
 
[mariano]
(Writing just as a Spanish native speaker not as phonetist that i'm just amateur) I think that i would transform in that way:
 
    buen tiempo ---> bugueguen tiguiegempogo /buguegen tigiegempogo/
 
The components in diptongs are treated independently each one. 
 
In another example:
 
    rosa y azul --> rogosaga igi agazugul
 
Would happen that althought < y > between vowels has the pronuntiation as a consonant, that is the [j] (with an up-down circunflex instead of the point), it would be understood as a vowel sound. But, in Spanish also, if the following word starts with /i/ then the conjunction < y > use to change to /e/, < e >, as for example in:
 
   bonito e interesante
 
So that allophony for this particular word -the copulative conjunction- is quite extreem and part explicit. The disyunctive conjunction also has explicit allophony, as it is /o/ but becomes /u/ if it's followed by /o/.