--- In phoNet@egroups.com, "Mark Odegard" <markodegard@h...> wrote:

> From: Juozas Rimas
>
> j (the one in "John") - ch
> Re the [��] in English "John".
>
> The unvoiced equivalent would be [��] as in 'chin'?

Yup, when trying to pronounce "the badge that dissapeared", I need to
control my tongue because otherwise "the batch that..." comes out.

P.S. I'm not sure if I know what you meant by "re". Thanks.