Re: MN 12

Dear Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi and All,

Many thanks for your explanations and contributions.

I'm glad this was clarified, as far as I am concerned.

Metta

Branko

From: "Bhikkhu Bodhi venbodhi@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] MN 12

Dear Branko and All,

First, the translation of the Middle Length Discourses was primarily the work of Bhikkhu Nyanamoli. I edited it, revised some of his renderings, and added introduction and notes, but the bulk of it was his translation. Although I do not have his original handwritten notebooks with me, I think it highly probable that I left this passage exactly as he had rendered it.

Second: I think it would be wrong to take tālacchāyaṃ itself to be "a measure of length." Rather, this is still the shade of a palm tree, which the commentary says is vidatthicaturaṅgula, which (since a vidatthi = 12 aṅgula, PED) amounts to 16 aṅgula. Thus the point of the simile is that "just as a skilled archer could easily shoot an arrow past the shade of a palm tree, which is just 16 aṅgula in length, so ..." This should not be hard to understand.

With metta,

Bhikkhu Bodhi

On 9/21/2016 10:03 AM, 'Jim Anderson' jimanderson.on@... [palistudy] wrote:

Hi Chris,

I've been doing a little digging myself on this MN 12 passage (M I
82,34-83,2) and although I'm far from finished, I learn that "daḷhadhammo"
which is being translated as "skilled" or "strong" has the meaning of
"having a strong bow" (cf. Pali Miscellany, Trenckner 1871, p. 60, note
11). -dhammo (properly -dhammā) stands for -dhanvā > -dhammā. It is also
questionable that "tālacchāyaṃ" be translated as "the shadow of a
palm-tree". It is a measure of length according to Cone's DOP II 305 s.v.
tāla 1.

This is I.B. Horner's translation on p. 109 of M.L.S. i.:

As, Sāriputta, a skilled archer, trained, deft, a marksman, may with ease
wing a slender shaft across a palm-tree's shadow,-4 so are they of exgreme
mindfulness, of extreme attentiveness, of extreme resolute energy, so are
they possessed of the utmost lucidity of wisdom.
fn.—4 A. ii. 48, iv. 429; S. i. 62, ii. 266. See G.S. iv. 288, n. 3.

Best wishes,

Jim

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From: "Chris Valade cjvalade@... [palistudy]"
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Sent: September 21, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] MN 12

Doing a little searching, I found that simile in two other suttas, linked
below. In the first, AN4.45, it reads, "My speed was as fast as that of a
strong archer — well-trained, a practiced hand, a practiced sharp-shooter —
shooting a light arrow across the shadow of a palm tree." And in the other,
AN9.38, it reads, "Suppose that there were four men standing at the four
directions, endowed with supreme speed & stride. Like that of a strong
archer — well-trained, a practiced hand, a practiced sharp-shooter —
shooting a light arrow across the shadow of a palm tree: Such would be the
speed with which they were endowed."

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