Re: passage from Cūḷaniddesa

From: Jim Anderson
Message: 4536
Date: 2016-03-06

Dear Dhivan,

I found some etymologies on bheri, ālamba, and daddari in the ṭīkā to Abh
143-4 (CST4). Here's what it says for "daddari":

<< ‘‘Dadda’’iti saddaṃ karotīti daddari, daddati vā saddavisesena
pariṇamatīti daddari, ri. >>

Two derivations are given here. The first indicates that which makes a "da
da da" sound. The second is from the verbal root DADD. "ri" is a primary (or
kita) suffix. One would then add the secondary suffix "ka" to form
"daddarika".

PED isn't of much help and I don't know if the above terms all refer to
different types of drums.

Regards,

Jim

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Subject: [palistudy] passage from Cūḷaniddesa


Dear Pāli-kusalā,

As part of a study of the Khaggavisāṇa-sutta, I’ve been translating the
section explaining the sutta from the Cūḷaniddesa. (I’ve found it much
easier to use the Burmese ed. via the Digital Pali Reader than the PTS ed.).
The explanation of v.41 of Kgv-s (v.127 of the Sutta-nipāta Uraga-vagga) has
an explanation of khiḍḍā or ‘play’, also in Mahāniddesa.

khiḍḍāti dve khiḍḍā — kāyikā ca khiḍḍā vācasikā ca khiḍḍā. katamā kāyikā
khiḍḍā?
There are two kinds of play, physical play and verbal play.

The Niddesa then gives a list of kinds of physical play, mostly drawing on
the games not suitable for ascetics described in the majjhima-sīla of the
gradual training in the early suttas of the Dīgha-nikāya. Then there is a
shorter list of kinds of verbal play:

katamā vācasikā khiḍḍā? mukhabherikaṃ mukhālambaraṃ mukhaḍiṇḍimakaṃ [var:
mukhadeṇḍimakaṃ, mukhadindimakaṃ] mukhacalimakaṃ mukhakerakaṃ [var:
mukhabherukaṃ] mukhadaddarikaṃ nāṭakaṃ lāsaṃ gītaṃ davakammaṃ. ayaṃ vācasikā
khiḍḍā.

While nāṭakaṃ lāsaṃ gītaṃ davakammaṃ can be understood to be kinds of verbal
play connected with dancing or plays, with singing and ‘making jokes’, I am
stuck with the first six kinds of verbal play. Bherika, ālambara, ḍiṇḍika
and daddarika all seem to be kinds of drums. So are these all kinds of
drumming with the mouth? And are calimaka and keraka also likely to be kinds
of drumming? No help from Nidd-a, nor anywhere else that I can see, e.g.
DOP, PED.

Of course, one could simply guess at the meaning of these words, looking at
possible Sanskrit parallels, but that doesn’t seem right. Where to turn in
such a case? Does one just give up?

Thanks for your thoughts,
Dhivan


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