From: florent.robert@...
Message: 4380
Date: 2015-08-14
Dear
Group,
I recently came across a Sutta (pārājikapāḷi, verañjakaṇḍaṃ, par. 21) where the
Buddha enumerates the 4 reasons that will cause the Sangha to be defiled :
(1) rattaññumahattaṃ, (2) vepullamahattaṃ, (3) lābhaggamahattaṃ, (4)
bāhusaccamahattaṃ.
I looked up the commentary for the last term and it says:
bāhusaccamahattanti bāhusaccassa mahantabhāvaṃ. saṅgho hi yāva na bāhusaccamahattaṃ patto hoti, tāva na āsavaṭṭhānīyā dhammā uppajjanti. bāhusaccamahattaṃ patte pana yasmā ekampi nikāyaṃ, dvepi ... pe ... pañcapi nikāye uggahetvā ayoniso ummujjamānā puggalā rasena rasaṃ saṃsanditvā uddhammaṃ ubbinayaṃ satthusāsanaṃ dīpenti. atha satthā “yo pana bhikkhu evaṃ vadeyya — tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi ... pe ... samaṇuddesopi ce evaṃ vadeyyā”tiādinā (pāci. 418) nayena sikkhāpadaṃ paññapetīti.
which I attempted to translate as:
As long as the Sangha has not reached great learning, dhammas caused by (ṭhānīya)
defilements do not arise. However, when great learning will be reached, because
they have learned 1, 2,..5 nikayas, some people who understand in the wrong way
(ayoniso ummujjamānā is explained
by the ṭīkā as viparītato
jānamānā) will explain the Teachings of the
Buddha in a way which is not in accordance with the Dhamma (uddhamma) and the
Vinaya (ubbinaya).
I have left aside rasena rasaṃ saṃsanditvā because I can’t make sense of it and the ṭīkā doesn’t
really help much: Rasena rasaṃ saṃsanditvāti sabhāvena sabhāvaṃ saṃsanditvā,
anuññātapaccattharaṇādīsu sukhasamphassasāmaññato upādinnaphassarasepi
anavajjasaññitāya anupādinnaphassarasena upādinnaphassarasaṃ saṃsanditvā,
samānabhāvaṃ upanetvāti attho.
Could
it mean that those people (and why puggalā here and not bhikkhu since we are
talking about the saṅgha ?) mix truth (sabhāva) with truth in such a way that it leads to confusion ?
I don’t know either how to translate the second part of the ṭīkā.
Thank you,
Florent