Re: etymologies of "dukkha"

I think there were several mentions of tuccha in the commentarial
definitions I pulled from the DPR.  I do remember a German monk once trying
to explain the axle derivation to me, though it  didn't sound all that
convincing :)
On 17 Jul 2013 16:31, "Jim Anderson" <jimanderson.on@...> wrote:

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> Dear Ven. Yuttadhammo, Susi and all,
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> Besides the derivation (nibbacana) of "dukkha" given at Vism XVI.16, two
> others are also given at XvII.48 in the following:
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> Dukkhayatīti dukkhaṃ. uppādaṭṭhitivasena vā dvidhā khaṇatītipi dukkhaṃ.
> ~Visuddhimagga-2: ~Mya.:2.159
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> which Ñāṇamoli translates as:
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> It makes [beings] suffer (dukkhayati), thus it is pain (dukkha); or it
> consumes in two ways (DVedhā KHAṇati—see IV.100) by means of [the two
> moments (khaóa)] arising and presence, thus it is pain (dukkha). ---Vism
> XVII.48
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> This sproves that dukkha can also be derived from the root DUKKH (most
> commonly) and from the root KHAṆ with a prefixed numeral DU (two). The
> latter is found less frequesntly in the Pali texts (I found five other
> occurences). I doubt very much there can be found a derivation from the
> root
> KHAM.
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> Thanks Susi for nicely describing the derivation in terms of a bad axle
> hole. Wikipedia quotes a very similar description from Winthrop Sargeant in
> their article on dukkha. I think the derivation in Apte of "duṣṛāni khāni
> yasmin" (where there are bad holes?) belongs here. Might that also not
> include potholes in the road or a bad cavity in a tooth? The neuter noun
> "kha" (sky, space, aperture, hole etc) is is related to the meaning of
> "tuccha" (empty) at Vism XVI.16..
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> Best wishes,
>
> Jim
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