Re: Kc 1

Dear Bryan and Jim,

Thanks for following up on that... glad to have the original source. I only
have an excerpt in Thai (from Vyakarana Pali by Dr. Subhaparn Na Bangchang)
that doesn't even mention the pali words "udayabbaya"; it just says he was
meditating on the arising and falling away and as his mindfulness slipped
away, he switched to "udakabaka".  After making some inquiries at the Wat
Mahadhatu section 25, I was given the explanation of "udayabaya.m" as the
original.  I wonder where he got "gha.tapa.to" from?

Sincerely,

Yuttadhammo

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Phra Yuttadhammo,
>
> Re: my previous message:
>
> > anotattatīre sālarukkhamūle nisinnaṃ ekaṃ vuḍḍhapabbajitaṃ sandhāya
> > vuttantipi vadanti. ayamimassa atthuppatti.
>
> This story is expanded in the Kaccāyanatthadīpanī, p.29 (Thai edn.) and
> matches well the story you told.
>
> aparo nayo. eko vuḍḍhapabbajito bhagavato santikā kammaṭṭhānaṃ gahetvā
> anotattatīre sālarukkhamūle nisinno udayabbayakammaṭṭhānaṃ karoti. so udake
> carantaṃ bakaṃ disvā udakabakanti kammaṭṭhānaṃ karoti. bhagavā
> vitathabhāvaṃ
> disvā vuḍḍhapabbajitaṃ pakkosāpetvā attho bhikkhave akkharasaññātoti
> vākyamāha. kaccāyanatherenapi bhagavato adhippāyaṃ jānitvā attho
> akkharasaññātoti pubbe thapetvā idaṃ pakaraṇaṃ katanti kaccāyanena
> katasuttantīpi vadanti.
>
> I made a quick translation of the above:
>
> Another way. A certain aged wanderer, sitting at the foot of a Sal tree
> on the shore of Lake Anotatta after having acquired the meditation subject
> in the presence of the Blessed One, works on the meditation subject of
> "rise
> and fall" (udayabbayaṃ). After seeing a crane moving about in the water, he
> works on the meditation subject of "water-crane" (udakabakaṃ). The Blessed
> One seeing the falsity (of this), called for the old wanderer and spoke the
> sentence: "Meaning, bhikkhus, is known by the letters (sounds)".
>
> They also say the sutta was composed by Kaccāyana in that this work was
> composed by the thera Kaccāyana after he had understood the intent of the
> Blessed One and had put "attho akkharasaññāto" at the beginning.
>
> In my previous message, gatvā should be corrected to gantvā in the
> following:
>
> > bhagavantaṃ yācitvā himavantaṃ gatvā
>
> Jim
>
> 
>


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