Re: Kc intro. verse 1

Dear Jim, I overlooked that nyaasa is in abhidhana verse no.472 as deposit tran by subhuti in eng.Nyasa is also a tika name for kasikavutti in sanskrit.(kasikavrtti)

Ong Teng Kee <ongtkee@...> wrote:Dear Jim,
sangharakkhita surely is not moggalana but he wrote khuddhakasikkhanavatika,pancikatika on moggalana(in cd now),susaddhasiddhi,subodhalankara,sambadhacinta.He mentioned this in sambandhacinta but without pancikatika which should be his last work.
If we study these grammar texts without any nisya in theravada languages ,it will be too hard.Those gatha seem meaningless.Without subodhalankara tika and new tika,it is just some unreadable words to study about pali gatha writing.
Warder didn't mention any 14 matta meter but keep on talking about non sense in his book.


Jim Anderson wrote:
Hi Teng Kee,

> See vuttodaya sutta no.7 for tha last can become long by not
> following the meter.warder also said about this.

Thanks for this. I found something similar in the following:

Dr. B. Jinananda writes:
"Further, for the exigency of the Metre (Chanda) a short vowel is to
be regarded as long if it is at the end of a quarter, and a long vowel
can, similarly, be regarded as short if it is at the end of a
quarter." -- p. 172, The Nava-Nalanda-Mahavihara Research Publication,
Vol. II, 1960

This book contains the text of the Vuttodaya in Devanagari script
along with an English translation of most of it with some notes. It's
what I use in finding a match for a Pali metre. I find some of the
verses very hard to make sense of and verse/sutta 7 is no exception!

In a later message you wrote:

<< I have no idea you have the pali meter by Warder or not.
This book didn't mention vansantatilaka like in vuttodaya.No direct
mattachanda /ganachanda was mentioned by sangharakhita.If anyone wnat
to write an thesis on pali meter ,he must write on vuttadaya
tika,chandosarathavilasini,vacanajotika,chapaccayadipani and
chandomanjari and burmese/sinhala/thai/cambodia nissaya on them.but
surely not like warder/norman in theragatha etc. >>

I do have Warder's Pali Metre but I have never gotten around to
spending much time with it as it seems like a difficult book to use
when all you want to do is to match a metre. I saw that the
vasantatilakaa metre is not even mentioned in the index -- maybe it
goes under a different name. The Vuttodaya is mentioned in passing
only at §19 regarding H. Smith and his Saddaniiti which contains a
listing of the different metres in Vol. IV (Tables). The CPD
bibliography only has the Vuttodaya listed along with a number of
commentaries including the ones you mention here except Chandomanjari
which I don't have any of but would find useful in unravelling some of
those highly condensed verses in the Vuttodaya. Jinananda says that
Sangharakkhita is the same person as the grammarian Moggallana which I
find doubtful but maybe the same as the author of the
Abhidhanappadipika? At the back of that book is found the
Subodhalankara and Vuttodaya.

Best wishes,
Jim






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