Re: vihaatabba.m

Dear Jim & Nina,

I don't know if it's any use to you with regard to the 'vi-har'
discussion (see Jim's post below), but in Warder, lesson 24,
p239, he has a section on vi-har specifically under a longer
section on auxiliary verbs (p233f). So vihar can be used as an
auxiliary like 'as', huu', 'car', thaa', and 'vatt'.

For vi-har, he says it can become even more of a 'pure auxiliary'
than the others and is used in all tenses. The first example he
gives is similar to your one here (but not using the should
construction):

> ime dhammaa upasampajja vihaatabbaa, . . . --
Pe.takopadesa p. 208
>
> which ~Naa.namoli translates as:
>
> these ideas should be entered upon and abode in, . . .  --
> Pi.taka-Disclosure p. 282

Warder:" so....pa.thamajjhaana.m upasampajja viharati..."
-he dwells having entered into the first meditation/he remains in
the first meditation.

Sarah
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--- In palistudy@..., "Jim Anderson" <jimanderson_on@...>
wrote:
> Dear Nina,
>
> In my previous message when I wrote that 'vihaatabba.m'
meant 'should
> abide', I had assumed that it was a derivative of vi+har without
even
> bothering to look it up in the dictionary. Some time later I got to
> thinking about it and realized that it can be a derivative of
vi+haa
> (abandon, forsake) and thought I had made a mistake and
Horner was
> right after all. After some checking in PED, I found no
'vihaatabba'
> under 'viharati' nor a 'haatabba' under 'harati'. However,
> 'vihaatabba' is included under 'vijahati'. I then searched the
CSCD
> and found the following passage:
>
> ime dhammaa upasampajja vihaatabbaa, . . . --
Pe.takopadesa p. 208
>
> which ~Naa.namoli translates as:
>
> these ideas should be entered upon and abode in, . . .  --
> Pi.taka-Disclosure p. 282
>
> Also Geiger in his A Pali Grammar, p. 188, gives the same
form:
> "vihaatabba (from viharati) M III 294,27 = hartavya." It's derived
in
> the same way as 'kaatabba' is from kar + tabba. So we have to
be aware
> that 'vihaatabba' is a homonym which is not at all unusual for
Pali.
>
> Best wishes, Jim
>
>
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