Re: a new member and an update

Dear Jim, 

It's so great to hear from you again,


And Hi, Suan,

How are you?

Welcome to the group,


And everyone,

I thought you might be interested in what Robert Eddison posted today
on another list, about sunna, or 'Patisambhidamagga on Sabhaava &
Emptiness', at this URL:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhamma-list/message/27265>
which I think is a very useful, concise and comprehensive study.


Enjoy, and glad to restart the study of Pali translations, Jim,

Thank you and anumodana,

Amara


--- In palistudy@..., "Jim Anderson" <jimanderson_on@...> wrote:
> Dear Members,
>
> First, I'd like to welcome Suan who has just joined today as a new
member of
> our group which now stands at 15. I'm sure his wide knowledge of
Pali and
> his translations will be very helpful and much appreciated by all of us
> here.
>
> My plans to go away to Toronto for acupuncture treatments has been
> postponed for at least another two months as advised by my acupuncture
> doctor. So that leaves me with some extra time on hand to work on
some more
> contributions to psg. In view of the ongoing luminous mind thread on
dsg,
> Suan's recent postings of his translation of the commentary and
> subcommentary on the white radiant mind, and the fact that I still
have work
> to do on many of Nina's translations previously posted, I think that I
> should devote my attention for the next while to Suan's and Nina's
> translations. I'll first begin with AN I.49 along with its com. and
subcom.
> and also review some of the work already done previously.
>
> I have been working on the problem of how to present layers of texts in
> order to make it easier for us to follow them for careful study. It's so
> easy to get lost trying to sort out which phrasing a comment goes with
> especially when you have 2 or 3 layers of commentaries! Here's an
example
> of what I think might work better for students of Pali:
>
> AN 1.49> pabhassaramida.m bhikkhave citta.m ta~nca kho aagantukehi
> upakkilesehi upakkili.t.thanti.
>
> nina> This consciousness, monks, is luminous, and it is indeed
corrupted by
> oncoming defilements.
>
> suan> "Monks, this mind is radiant. And, that very mind is tarnished by
> guest blots."
>
> Mp> 49. navame pabhassaranti pa.n.dara.m parisuddha.m.
>
> suan> 49. In the ninth statement, the term `radiant' signifies
whiteness or
> purity, and means complete cleanness.
>
> Mp-p.t> 49. navame pabhassaranti pariyodaata.m
sabhaavaparisuddha.t.thena.
> tenaaha--'pa.n.dara.m parisuddhan'ti.
>
> suan> 49. In the ninth statement, the expression `radiant' means
complete
> purity due to natural complete cleanness. That is why the
commentator said
> "pure, completely clean."
>
> Mp> cittanti bhava"ngacitta.m.
>
> suan> The term `mind' refers to the life-cause consciousness.
>
> Mp> ki.m pana cittassa va.n.no naama atthiiti? natthi.
>
> suan> How is there such a thing as the color of the mind?  There isn't.
>
> Mp-p.t> pabhassarataadayo naama va.n.nadhaatuya.m labbhanakavisesaati
> aaha --  'ki.m pana cittassa va.n.no naama atthii'ti?
>
> suan> Because the qualities like radiance are attributes available
in the
> color element, the commentator posed the question "How could there
be such
> a thing as the color of the mind?"
>
> I included Nina's early translation of the sutta but left out her
> commentarial translations for now because I don't know where to look
for her
> latest corrected ones. I just put in Suan's translations as an
example. The
> translations of others could also be inserted for comparison. In
order to
> indicate the source I put a > at the end of an abbreviation or first
name
> (or initials) so as to avoid confusion. Mp refers to
Manorathapuura.nii, the
> name of the Anguttaranikaaya a.t.thakathaa. Mp-p.t is Dhammapaala's
> Puraa.na.tiikaa on Mp. There is a later .tiikaa by Saariputta (12th
cent.)
> that goes by Mp-.t. The PTS has at least the first three volumes of this
> later commentary published. I only have the first volume which
covers to the
> end of the first ten suttas only. I'm planning to order the volume
> pertaining to AN I.49-52 which should be of interest for comparing
with the
> earlier .tiikaa.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jim
>
>
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