Re: Ablative/-to

Hi Tadao,

These are just my preliminary remarks. I don't have the answers ready at
hand as I'm not too clear on the various uses of the -to affix myself. This
subject came up earlier when Nina and I were trying to understand the -to in
'ubhatobhaagavimutta'. I'm very interested in looking into this affix in
more detail with you. I have all of Panini's sutras on the -tas affix
identified as well as the ones in the Saddaniti which we could investigate.
What I know is that -to also has a locative use and there is a Saddaniti
sutta giving uses in other cases as well with examples. I also believe that
the addition of -to puts the word into the class of indeclinables
(nipaata-s).

Currently, I'm trying to finish off a reply to a translation done by Nina
that she posted here a month ago. I was then about to reply to your
message with the first Padarupasiddhi sutta in it. I think your -to
questions are more urgent so I'll just switch the two around and get a
detailed reply to you within the next few days.

Best wishes,
Jim

>Hi, Jim and other Pali friends:
>Here I have a question on Pali.
>The question is from the Dhammapada.
>In the verse No 12, there is a use of
>ablative/-to, which I cannot quite understand:
>    Saara~n ca saarato ~natvaa
>    asaara~n ca asaarato,
>    "Those who know the real to be real
>     and the unreal to be unreal"
>     (from Ven. Buddharakkhita's translation)
>
>The "-to" of "saarato" and "asaarato" must be
>the ablative case. But does the ablative case have
>the function of expressing the notion of "as" or
>"to be ---" (in Ven, Buddharakkhita's rendition).
>If it does, it is part of the regular use of the
>ablative case? Or is this kind of use associated
>only with the "-to ablative"?
>(The same kind of the ablative use seems to
>appears in the verse No 22. Eta.m visesa-to ~natvaa.
>But at least here, it may not be impossible to treat
>"visesa-to" as an adverbial).
>At any rate, does Jim or other Pali friends
>like to answer my question? (My Pali is so rusty.)
>tadao


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