consciousness unestablished

From: Nina van Gorkom
Message: 283
Date: 2001-08-12

Daer Jim, thank you so much for the useful corrections. Pa.ti again:
unestablished better than not re-established. Pa.ti does not have the
meaning of re, although pa.tisandhi is often translated as rebirth, to
indicate that there is birth and birth again, is that right?
I noted the term kara.navacana.m as meaning :instrumental case. I should
remember that.
I could stare a long time on the last part, really difficult. You added:
that alone, but is there "alone"? In the case of Vakkali, the parinibbaana
must be not: upadisesa nibbaana, nibbaana with the khandhas remaining, but
anupadisesa nibbaana, without the khandhas remaining, final passing away.
Thus, I think that non-establishing and parinibbaana amount to the same. The
cause, condition for attaining this is the eradication of all defilements.
But how to model the last part so that it becomes more meaningful? A
suggestion, it may be wrong: but at the end, after non-establishing of this
consciousness, the cause of parinibbaana.Thus, instead of: is, a comma.
Yadeva, as ya.m, useful information, because it occurs often.
There is no better way to learn Pali, I find, and to get deeper into the
texts, than actually translating, and I feel most grateful that you take so
much trouble to make individual corrections. It is a great opportunity for
me. Many thanks, Nina.

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