Re: bhavangacitta

Dear Jim,
It is hard for me to accept Nina for saying bhavanga
experience feeling  of joy /upekkha but I take it to
mean kamma /gati nimitta in cuti ,patisandhi and
bhavanga which is like a dead water after
rebirth.Before rebirth kamma nimita can be experienced
feelings like the new bhavanga which he will be having
in a new body.The joy feeling in 4 kusala  javana will
surely not be the same in 4 resultant and 4 kiriya
citta.See VM pg.655 in Nyanamoli-paticcasamupada- 32
resultant vedana after salayatana which put the javana
feeling in tanha part for clinging.Here for rebirth to
patisandhi and bhavanga citta in a new body, old mind
door has 8 conditions to the new bhavanga citta which
has nothing to do with 5 doors.
See also Abhidhammatthasangaha  tika for various
debates of gati/kamma nimitta in 6 or mind door.


--- Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...> wrote:
> Dear Teng Kee,
>
> >Dear Jim,
> >I just like to add that Nina did not mention in
> this
> >reply about object for bhavanga citta which is very
> >important.It is gati or kamma nimmita for
> bhavanga.It
> >seems Nina no need to mention about vipaka for
> those
> >present moment of eye,ear,profitable/unprofitable
> in
> >this mail since this mail is about bhavanga.That is
> a
> >sure thing about citta vithi.Cuti,patisandhi and
> >bhavanga citta will have same object after 11
> moment
> >for mind door or 15 moment for 5 door like seeing
> etc
> >of uncomplete cittavithi during the rebirth vithi
> .It
> >is not through six doors for the bhavanga ,cuti and
> >patisandhi to experience the object but only their
> own
> >types of resultant citta with kamma or gati
> >nimmita.The 42-49 of vipaka citta like bhavanga are
> >indeed in six doors for registration function
> besides
> >bhavanaga and cuti if this is what you mean in
> >dhammasagani com.
> >I think people 4 people reborn with joy feeling as
> >bhavanga citta will have a more cheerful
> >personality(inferior?) but the contrast for the
> other
> >four upekkha people.
> >Teng Kee
>
> Thank-you for this as well as your previous note.
> I'm afraid I don't know
> enough Abhidhamma to understand much of what you say
> and so I really can't
> say much in response. You wondered if the human type
> with the bhavangacitta
> accompanied by joy is inferior to the type with
> upekkha. I think perhaps the
> first grading should be according to ahetuka,
> dvihetuka, and tihetuka (in
> that order with the tihetuka being the best one
> which can have either
> somanassa or upekkhaa feeling). I haven't thought
> about the grading of the
> four in each of the two categories though.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jim
>
>
>
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