Re: bhavangacitta

Dear Nina,

> Jim is right that only somanassa and upekkhā can accompany
pa.tisandhicitta,
> bhavangacitta and cuti-citta. This does not mean that the bhavangacitta
that
> is akusala vipāka cannot experience an unpleasant object, it does so,
since
> it is the result of akusala kamma.

I still find it hard to see how a bhavangacitta can experience an unpleasant
object accompanied by upekkhaa. Perhaps by 'unpleasant object' you mean
'ani.t.thaaramma.na' or undesirable object.

Thanks for your explanations in the remainder of your message.

Nina:
Thank you very much, Jim, for sending the Co and subco, I shall use these as
my exercises, very interesting. Jon suggested that I would translate the co
and subco about unestablished for dsg, but  I feel relieved that you are
working on it. I can use these just as my exercises. Kaara.naa: I thought:
by reason of, thus: because of being unestablished.

Jim:
I think you are right here. It appears that the '-kaara.naa' is just to show
a special use of the instrumental case and I think it applies to the whole
phrase ie. 'because of consciousness being unestablished'. I had considered
that possibility from the start but when I saw the subcom. giving a
different use of the instr. (itthambhuutalakkha.na) I then thought
'kaara.naa' had to mean something else and that the com. might be making
some philosophical point which I couldn't comprehend. But why does the com.
give one use while the subcom. gives another? I now think that the com. has
given the use of the two words together in relation to the whole sentence
while the subcom. has given the instrumental relation between
'consciousness' and 'unestablished'. I think your 'being' may be expressing
the subcom. use (itthambhuuta - being this way). The Saddaniti gives the ex.
bhinnena siisena -- 'with a head become broken' or simply 'with a broken
head'.

Best wishes,
Jim


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