Re: corrections AN I.51-52
From: Jim Anderson
Message: 228
Date: 2001-07-14
Dear Teng Kee,
>Dear Jim,
>It seems to me bhavanga is passive .Feeling are in
>javana but not bhavangacitta. I read this in
>Visuddhimagga.How can bhavanga experience something?
>The feeling accompany in bhavanga will be the same in
>8 kusala javana,9 rupa arupa and the other two but it
>is passive as mentioned in VM.
Perhaps by 'passive' you mean 'vipaaka' whereas 'kusala' and 'akusala' would
be considered active (kamma). All 19 bhavangas are vipakas so yes I would
agree with you about the bhavangas being passive if I've understood you
correctly. However, I have to disagree with you about feeling not being in
the bhavangacitta. The Dhammasangani describes each of the vipaakacittas
that can function as a bhavangacitta as being accompanied by feeling. I'd
like to know where in Vism you read that feeling is not in the
bhavangacitta. All these bhavangacittas with the cetasikas can experience
any one of the six arammanas although I think they would have to be past
objects. I'm thinking that present objects could only be experienced through
the doors. You then say "The feeling accompany in bhavanga will be the same
in . . ." which contradicts your previous comment: "Feeling are in javana
but not bhavangacitta." Have I misunderstood?
Thanks for your previous message which I'm still studying and may comment
on later. You didn't read my earlier message correctly when you wrote:
<< (abhidanapadipika gave 20 upassaga not 19.Maybe you
misread ni and nii as one only) >>
This is what I wrote to Nina:
<< Although there are only 20 prefixes (upasaggas) in Pali it can be
difficult to know which of many meanings is applicable. In the
Abhidhanapadipika 19 meanings are given for 'vi' alone while the Saddaniti
gives 7 and PED gives 4. >>
Actually, I got the '20' from the Saddaniti which turns out to be the same
as in the Abhidhanappadipika. Please feel free to correct any mistake you
see me making. Much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Jim
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