Re: AN I.51-52, translation

Dear Amara,
thanks for this. I was wondering about this matter ever since
Jim mentioned it . I thought teng kee had a good point about the
akusala  vipaka that conditions the bhavanga citta in lower
realms but it also seems that the texts don't make the
distinction (about being luminous) based on plane of birth. Is
luminous the translation of pandara?
robert
--- Amara <joychay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Jim and Teng Kee,
>
> I have checked with one of the foundation experts who has
> confirmed
> what Jim has explained below; all citta that function as
> bhavanga
> citta, no matter in which world, are not involved in the vithi
> citta
> processes of the senses, and therefore no kilesa arise in that
> instant
> of citta.  Although it is also said that in the hell worlds
> the
> bhavanga rarely arises because there could be no sleep because
> of the
> intense suffering, all bhavanga citta that arise between the
> vithi are
> still pure, 'pandara'. 
>
> Anumodana with all your studies, as well as your sharing,
>
> Amara
>
>
> --- In palistudy@..., "Jim Anderson" <jimanderson_on@...>
> wrote:
> > Dear Teng Kee,
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >I always thinking what kind of bhavanga I am in.Among
> > >the eight vipaka and also which  bhavanga  is buddha
> > >in.i do not think peta ,hell have the luminous
> > >bhavanga like us since they have the other inferior
> > >vipaka bhavanga.
> >
> > It appears that my comment about luminous bhavangacitta for
> beings
> of the
> > lower realms has raised a few eyebrows. I understand that 19
> types
> of cittas
> > can function as bhavangacittas and are either accompanied by
> upekkha
> or
> > somanassa and all are free of defilements. So to my way of
> thinking
> that
> > would make them all pure and hence luminous
> (metaphorically). There
> is just
> > one type of bhavangacitta for beings of the lower realms
> which is
> no. 56.
> > Just as akusala cittas can follow luminous bhavangacittas,
> so it
> seems that
> > luminous bhavangacittas can follow akusala cittas.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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