twofold ta.nhaa

Dear Sarah,

>No hurry at all, but when either of you have time, I'm keen to hear
>(or rather have analysed by the 'experts' the Pali commentaries
>relating to those 'tanha' passages discussed earlier on dsg.
>(Sorry I don't have the exact refs in mind as I write this quickly).

Are you thinking of a line by line translation and analysis? It would be
fairly lengthy undertaking but if you really insist we can have a go at it
but with no guarantee of understanding what it's really all about. I have
clipped what I believe to be the relevant passages from the three Netti
commentaries in case you or others would like to look them over and maybe
try to make sense of them or translate while I work on my response to Nina's
latest message.

netti p.87

tattha ta.nhaa duvidhaa: kusalaa pi akusalaa pi.

akusalaa sa.msaaragaaminii, kusalaa apacayagaaminii pahaanata.nhaa.

nett-a

tattha kusalaa ti kusaladhammaaramma.naa.

kusala-saddo cettha baahitikasutte (Myanmar MN 2.358 aadayo) viya
anavajjatthe da.t.thabbo.

kasmaa panettha ta.nhaa kusalapariyaayena uddha.taa?

he.t.thaa desanaahaare vipallaasahetubhaavena ta.nha.m uddharitvaa tassaa
vasena sa.mkilesapakkho dassito.

vicittapa.tibhaanataaya pana idhaapi ta.nhaamukheneva vodaanapakkha.m
dassetu.m kusalapariyaayena ta.nhaa uddha.taa.

tattha sa.msaara.m gametiiti sa.msaaragaaminii, sa.msaaranaayikaati attho.

apacaya.m nibbaana.m gametiiti apacayagaaminii.

katha.m pana ta.nhaa apacayagaaminiiti? aaha ``pahaanata.nhaa''ti.

tada"ngaadippahaanassa hetubhuutaa ta.nhaa.

katha.m pana ekantasaavajjaaya ta.nhaaya kusalabhaavoti?

sevitabbabhaavato.

yathaa ta.nhaa, eva.m maanopi duvidho kusalopi akusalopi, na ta.nhaa evaati
ta.nhaaya nidassanabhaavena maano vutto.

nett-t

53. kusaladhammaaramma.naati kusaladhamme uddissa pavattimatta.m
sandhaaya vutta.m, na tesa.m aaramma.napaccayata.m idha ``kusalaa
dhammaa''ti lokuttaradhammaana.m adhippetattaa.

na hi kadaaci anupaadaaniyaa dhammaa upaadaanaaramma.naa honti.

phaladhamme uddissa pavattaaya ta.nhaaya gahitattaa ``kusala ...pe...
da.t.thabbo''ti vutta.m.

desanaahaareti desanaahaarasampaate.

katha.m pana kusalabhaavoti ``kusalaa''ti vacanamatta.m gahetvaa codeti,
ta~nca nidassanamatta.m da.t.thabba.m, pahaanahetubhaavopissaa siyaa
codakena sampa.ticchitova.

``maanopi duvidho''tiaadinaa maanassa ca tassaa ta.nhaaya ca
sevitabbabhaavo akusalaana.m pahaanaaya, kusalaana.m uppattiyaa ca
paccayabhaavato.

nett-v

tattha tatthaati tasmi.m ``arakkhitena cittenaa''tiaadisuttatthe
desanaahaarasampaatena sa.mva.n.nite akusaladhamme ``ta.nhaa''ti
niddhaaritaa sabbata.nhaa.

kusalaapiiti catubhuumake kusale uddissa pavattaa ta.nhaapi.

akusalaapii ti akusaladhamme uddissa pavattaa ta.nhaapiiti duvidhaa hotiiti
vicayitabbaa. tena vutta.m .tiikaaya.m -- ``kusaladhammaaramma.naati
kusaladhamme uddissa pavattamatta.m sandhaaya vutta.m, na tesa.m
aaramma.napaccayata.m, idha `kusalaa dhammaa'ti lokuttaradhammaanampi
adhippetattaa''ti.

``kusalaa  ta.nhaa ki.mgaaminii, akusalaa ta.nhaa ki.m gaaminii''ti
pucchitabbattaa ``akusalaa sa.msaaragaaminii''tiaadi vutta.m.

atha vaa ``katamo kusalaakusalata.nhaana.m viseso''ti pucchitabbattaa
``akusalaa sa.msaaragaaminii''tiaadi vutta.m.

``ta.nhaa naama sa.msaaragaaminii hotu, katha.m apacayagaaminii''ti
vattabbattaa ``pahaanata.nhaa''ti vutta.m, pahaanassa hetubhuutaa ta.nhaa
pahaanata.nhaati attho, pahaatabbata.nha.m aagamma ya.m pahaana.m
pavattetabba.m, tena pavattetabbena pahaanena apacaya.m gacchatiiti vutta.m
hoti.

``ki.m pana ta.nhaayeva kusalaakusalaati dubbidhaa, udaahu a~n~nopi
kusalaakusalaati dubbidho''ti vattabbattaa ``maanopii''tiaadi vutta.m.
``katamo maano kusalo, katamo maano akusalo''ti pucchitabbattaa ``ya.m
maana.m nissaaya maana.m pajahati, aya.m maano kusalo.

yo pana maano dukkha.m nibbattayati, aya.m maano akusalo''ti vutta.m.

tattha ya.m maana.m ...pe... kusaloti ya.m maana.m nissaaya upanissaaya
pahaana.m pavattita.m, tena pahaanena santaane uppajjanaaraha.m maana.m
pajahati, aya.m upanissayapaccayabhuuto maano phaluupacaarena kusalo.

yo pana ...pe... akusaloti yo pana maano parahi.msanaadivasena pavattamaano
hutvaa attano ca parassa ca dukkha.m nibbattayati, aya.m maano akusaloti
vicayitvaa veditabbo.

``sa.msaaraapacayagaaminiisu taasu ta.nhaasu katamaa apacayagaaminii
ta.nhaa kusalaa''ti pucchitabbattaa ``kusalaa''ti vuttaaya ta.nhaaya
saruupa.m dassetu.m ``tattha ya.m nekkhammasita''ntiaadi vutta.m.

tatthaati taasu sa.msaaraapacayagaaminiisu ta.nhaabhuutaasu
kusalaakusalaasu. aya.m ta.nhaa kusalaati sambandho.

``ariyaa puggalaa santa.m aayatana.m ya.m ariyaphaladhamma.m sacchikatvaa
upasampajja viharanti, ta.m aayatana.m ariyaphaladhamma.m aha.m kudaassu
sacchikatvaa viharissa''nti patthayantassa tassa kulaputtassa tasmi.m
ariyaphale pihaa uppajjati, pihaapaccayaa ya.m domanassa.m uppajjati, ida.m
domanassa.m ``nekkhammasita''nti vuccati.

aya.m ariyaphale pihaasa"nkhaataa ta.nhaa kusalaa anavajjaa
anavajjaariyaphaladhamma.m uddissa pavattattaati vicayitabba.m.




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