Re: Translating by the views of Theravadin commentaries

The only problem is that one's own view will always colour the text; that's
what the commentaries are designed to dispel - whether you agree with their
interpetation or not, it is a valid interpretation, and one that has lead
to a more or less harmonious understanding of the texts among Theravada
Buddhists.

I read an article recently about a monastic dating service in Japan, and it
made me wonder if the relative cohesion found in Theravada Buddhism can be
attributed at least in part to the homogenous interpretation of the
Buddha's teaching.

Another story is of Ajaan Mun, who is claimed to remember the time of the
Buddha and talked to the Buddha to find out the right interpretation. My
understanding is that to this day his followers adhere to his
interpretation as the Buddha's way even when it is not supported by the
texts.

Even an Arahant can make mistakes about the dhamma, at least that which is
outside the realm of their own practice. Hearing modern teachers decry the
commentarial interpretation based solely on the fact that it doesn't accord
with their own limited (relative to to the vastness of the Buddha's)
experience is a bit disappointing, especially in cases where the commentary
offers multiple interpretations, only some of which are found acceptable.
I'm thinking of the great Jhana debate, for example.

On Jan 22, 2012 6:53 AM, "Kumara Bhikkhu" <kumara.bhikkhu@...> wrote:

> I don't doubt that there's some good stuff in there. I too refer to them
> sometimes, but not before I read the early text closely first. I try not to
> view the Suttas through the lens of any commentary, Theravadin or
> otherwise, lest the view is coloured by them.
>
> The reason why the older commentaries are now "lost", is that (as I've
> learnt from my teacher) they were burnt after the Atthakathas (as we now
> know) have been composed. Texts of other sects in Ceylon (Jetavana and
> Abhayagiri) met with the same fate.
>
> kb
>
> Nina van Gorkom wrote thus at 22:45 14/01/2012:
>
> >Venerable Bhikkhu Kumara,
> >Op 11-jan-2012, om 4:50 heeft Kumara Bhikkhu het volgende geschreven:
> >
> >> What if the commentaries got it wrong?
> >------
> >N: The oldest commentaries, the Mahaa-Atthakathaa, the Mahaa-paccari
> >and the Kuru.n.di are now lost.
> >
> >Buddhaghosa translated into Pali,
> >compiled and arranged material from the ancient commentaries which
> >were written in Singhalese.
> >More convincing than historical arguments is reading the ancient
> >commentaries themselves as we have them today. The Visuddhimamagga
> >and the Atthasaalini constantly refer to texts of the Tipi.taka. I
> >just read to my husband about stinginess, as defined in the
> >Dhammasanga.ni (first book of the Abhidhamma) and elaborated on in
> >the commentary. Just an example to show that one can see for oneself
> >whether this is helpful or not in daily life:
> >
> >{AtthasÄ linÄ«} (II, Book II, Part II, Chapter II, 376), in its
> >explanation of the words of the Dhammasangaṇi, states that the
> >mean person also hinders someone else from giving. Stinginess can
> >motivate one to try to persuade someone else, for example one's
> >husband or wife, to give less or not to give at all. We read in the
> >AtthasÄ linii :
> >
> >...and this also has been said,
> >Malicious, miserly, ignoble, wrong...
> >Such men hinder the feeding of the poor...
> >
> >A ``niggardly'' person seeing mendicants causes his mind to shrink as
> >by sourness. His state is ``niggardliness''. Another way (of
> >definition):- ``niggardliness is a ``spoon-feeding''. For when the pot
> >is full to the brim, one takes food from it by a spoon with the edge
> >bent on all sides; it is not possible to get a spoonful; so is the
> >mind of a mean person bent in. When it is bent in, the body also is
> >bent in, recedes, is not diffused---thus stinginess is said to be
> >niggardliness.
> >
> >``Lack of generosity of heart'' is the state of a mind which is shut
> >and gripped, so that it is not stretched out in the mode of making
> >gifts, etc., in doing service to others. But because the mean person
> >wishes not to give to others what belongs to himself, and wishes to
> >take what belongs to others, therefore this meanness should be
> >understood to have the characteristic of hiding or seizing one's own
> >property, occurring thus: ``May it be for me and not for
> >another''
> >(end quote).
> >
> >--------
> >Nina.
> >
> >
> >
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